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Because he's crap . Will we ever,ever have a real labour party again ? One that actually represents working people ? Sorry about the punctuation. I left school 50 years ago ( when we had the last real Labour government ).
Tbf the Labour Party and the political landscape was a lot different back then. The Labour Party you look back fondly on just wouldn't work in this day and age. Heavy industry is all but gone, and back then when people were happy with a roof over their head and a bit of food on the table and a couple of pints on a weekend are all but gone now.
I know some still struggle with those, but generally speaking the labour voters of today are a lot more sophisticated and ambitious in their wants and aspirations.

Healthcare and welfare is a given, regardless of the current state of it, people aspire to own their homes, decent cars, send their kids to the best schools and uni's and all the other stuff of modern life. Labour has to appeal to those people as well as the ones that are at the bottom and need the help.

That was a key thing that Blair did, Corbyn and his mob just can't comprehend, or bring himself to accept that the labour voter of today is a lot different to yesteryear

I must admit I'd be far happier if someone like Alan Johnson were at the helm, people can see he's a pretty ordinary bloke, had a proper job, will appeal to a wide range of voters not just the left wing, knows his way around the commons pitfalls and is pragmatic and smart enough to know you have to give and take....I know he's said he didn't want the job, but hopefully someone like that will emerge as labour is just getting deeper and deeper into the shite
 
It's obvious that he was trying to make a clever point about the Tories being best mates with communists and the massive irony that this presents. I just don't think he's got the personality to pull it off.
Yea, I mean it's pretty clear what he was trying to get at, but the execution of it... and I've defended McDonnell and Corbyn in the past, but Jesus Christ.

There's about a 1000 ways he could have made that point. He picked the worst one. He went out of his way to research (it wasn't even a good Mao quote), bring along a copy of The Red Book, to then pull it out of his pocket, read from it and then throw it at the Chancellor of the Exchequer, at the Autumn Statement on a day the Tories performed a load of u-turns.

Still in complete disbelief.
 
As predicted, McDonnell had a lousy BBC 6 O'Clock News. After the extensive coverage of Osborne's speech, the reporter said how the Tories were capitalising on Labour's current 'perceived' weakness. Cut to McDonnell standing up and um-ing and ah-ing his way through his opening remarks. Then they cut to the whole Mao debacle.

That's it, old mate. That's yer lot. None of your prepared sound bites about the Tories hurting the most vulnerable made the cut. The prime time audience saw you waving Mao's Little Red Book around instead.
 
Tbf the Labour Party and the political landscape was a lot different back then. The Labour Party you look back fondly on just wouldn't work in this day and age. Heavy industry is all but gone, and back then when people were happy with a roof over their head and a bit of food on the table and a couple of pints on a weekend are all but gone now.
I know some still struggle with those, but generally speaking the labour voters of today are a lot more sophisticated and ambitious in their wants and aspirations.

Healthcare and welfare is a given, regardless of the current state of it, people aspire to own their homes, decent cars, send their kids to the best schools and uni's and all the other stuff of modern life. Labour has to appeal to those people as well as the ones that are at the bottom and need the help.

That was a key thing that Blair did, Corbyn and his mob just can't comprehend, or bring himself to accept that the labour voter of today is a lot different to yesteryear

I must admit I'd be far happier if someone like Alan Johnson were at the helm, people can see he's a pretty ordinary bloke, had a proper job, will appeal to a wide range of voters not just the left wing, knows his way around the commons pitfalls and is pragmatic and smart enough to know you have to give and take....I know he's said he didn't want the job, but hopefully someone like that will emerge as labour is just getting deeper and deeper into the shite

Great post mate. I've been saying the demographics of the country have changed for a while now. The conditions and struggles to what the labour party were born out of are unidentifiable to the vast majority of the electorate
 
I'm assuming it's a huge whoosh all the ones saying McDonnell and labour performed well today, because if not, there's some seriously deranged people about :lol:

Absolute gold plated opportunity to nail Osborne and the Tories on a huge turnaround and completely fucked it up....
 
Tbf the Labour Party and the political landscape was a lot different back then. The Labour Party you look back fondly on just wouldn't work in this day and age. Heavy industry is all but gone, and back then when people were happy with a roof over their head and a bit of food on the table and a couple of pints on a weekend are all but gone now.
I know some still struggle with those, but generally speaking the labour voters of today are a lot more sophisticated and ambitious in their wants and aspirations.

Healthcare and welfare is a given, regardless of the current state of it, people aspire to own their homes, decent cars, send their kids to the best schools and uni's and all the other stuff of modern life. Labour has to appeal to those people as well as the ones that are at the bottom and need the help.

That was a key thing that Blair did, Corbyn and his mob just can't comprehend, or bring himself to accept that the labour voter of today is a lot different to yesteryear

I must admit I'd be far happier if someone like Alan Johnson were at the helm, people can see he's a pretty ordinary bloke, had a proper job, will appeal to a wide range of voters not just the left wing, knows his way around the commons pitfalls and is pragmatic and smart enough to know you have to give and take....I know he's said he didn't want the job, but hopefully someone like that will emerge as labour is just getting deeper and deeper into the shite

Hopefully Corbyn won't last much longer.
 
Quite a strategic u-turn from Osborne there. Can't say I disagree with too much, the question is whether they change their minds again.

Telling that McDonnell came out of it looking a bigger tool than Osborne, the man is so far out of his depth he's drowning...

Nobody cares about the odd u-turn. It's a biggie for sure, but its far more important to ordinary people that they saw sense in the end.

Yea, I mean it's pretty clear what he was trying to get at, but the execution of it... and I've defended McDonnell and Corbyn in the past, but Jesus Christ.

There's about a 1000 ways he could have made that point. He picked the worst one. He went out of his way to research (it wasn't even a good Mao quote), bring along a copy of The Red Book, to then pull it out of his pocket, read from it and then throw it at the Chancellor of the Exchequer, at the Autumn Statement on a day the Tories performed a load of u-turns.

Still in complete disbelief.

A few weeks ago I would have said 'unbelievable'. Except it's not. It's high farce. And generally speaking he's been the straight man of this comedy double act so far.

I mean, can you imagine the reaction if somebody quoted Mein Kampf? People would blow a f***ing gasket - and rightly so too. So how is quoting someone responsible for even more deaths not quite a big f***ing deal. Do Chinese lives not matter?* For once, internet hysteria is justified. This is deeply f***ing offensive.


* Update from @Bagpuss to follow later: "45m Chinese comrades died in pursuit of the higher cause of socialism."
 
Nobody cares about the odd u-turn. It's a biggie for sure, but its far more important to ordinary people that they saw sense in the end.



A few weeks ago I would have said 'unbelievable'. Except it's not. It's high farce. And generally speaking he's been the straight man of this comedy double act so far.

I mean, can you imagine the reaction if somebody quoted Mein Kampf? People would blow a f***ing gasket - and rightly so too. So how is quoting someone responsible for even more deaths not quite a big f***ing deal. Do Chinese lives not matter?* For once, internet hysteria is justified. This is deeply f***ing offensive.



* Update from @Bagpuss to follow later: "45m Chinese comrades died in pursuit of the higher cause of socialism."
It was, perhaps, ill advised.
 
You do that son . I think there is a substantial difference in Mao and Hitler in terms of political and economic clout . Maoes legacy is the very foundation of the modern Chinese superpower . Ok so he killed a few , starved a few ( tens of millions)in changing a medievil feudal state to an economic giant in one generation , but it doesn't make him a bad person ;)

If Deng Xiaoping (twice purged by Mao for his ideologically impure economic ideas) hadn't cleaned up Mao's steaming pile of dogshit, China would still be a medieval feudal state.
 
If Deng Xiaoping (twice purged by Mao for his ideologically impure economic ideas) hadn't cleaned up Mao's steaming pile of dogshit, China would still be a medieval feudal state.
I bow to your greater knowledge of Chinese political history . It's something I must look up in ernest one day . So many books.
 
Tbf the Labour Party and the political landscape was a lot different back then. The Labour Party you look back fondly on just wouldn't work in this day and age. Heavy industry is all but gone, and back then when people were happy with a roof over their head and a bit of food on the table and a couple of pints on a weekend are all but gone now.
I know some still struggle with those, but generally speaking the labour voters of today are a lot more sophisticated and ambitious in their wants and aspirations.

Healthcare and welfare is a given, regardless of the current state of it, people aspire to own their homes, decent cars, send their kids to the best schools and uni's and all the other stuff of modern life. Labour has to appeal to those people as well as the ones that are at the bottom and need the help.

That was a key thing that Blair did, Corbyn and his mob just can't comprehend, or bring himself to accept that the labour voter of today is a lot different to yesteryear

I must admit I'd be far happier if someone like Alan Johnson were at the helm, people can see he's a pretty ordinary bloke, had a proper job, will appeal to a wide range of voters not just the left wing, knows his way around the commons pitfalls and is pragmatic and smart enough to know you have to give and take....I know he's said he didn't want the job, but hopefully someone like that will emerge as labour is just getting deeper and deeper into the shite
I don't know why so many people think things were tough back in the sixties . We had way better employment conditions than folk have now . Lots of jobs carried non-contributery pensions . You could buy a new 3 bedroomed semi out of one wage . There was almost full employment,even in Sunderland . The summers were warmer ........
 
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