EU chief warns 'no possibility' of UK reducing immigration

[El Matador]

Where in England, Scotland and Wales? Give me some examples.

Holland is even worse than Britain for population density.

Take your pick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_counties
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usfeatures/areas/
http://www.stayinwales.co.uk/wales.cfm?counties

When you say Holland is "even worse" than Britain for population density how do you think it still manages to function very well in terms of their increasing population, housing, agriculture, transport and industry ? Surely if you are right then it should be imminently becoming "a massive refugee camp" which is completely degraded. The fact that it isn't seems to suggest your line of thought on the matter is not right. Also the public debate is not one about "no more room" as the right wing of Britain keep trotting out in their dislike of Johnny Foreigners. That is because the right wing are spouting shite.

Barring any future legislation, yes. A Spanish national would have the same rights of abode in the UK as a Thai national, for example. This was the case prior to freedom of movement and I don't see any reason this would change going forward as this is one of the main points behind pulling out?

I'd imagine if it were to happen, there would be a period of time where, at the very least, working EU residents could apply for work visas and long term residents could apply for ILR and/or citizenship. It would be a huge can of worms, especially for those here on the family route - read Surinder Singh- god knows what would happen there, they're talking about abolishing the human rights act so I'd imagine certain families may be torn apart.

Good post Andrew.
UKIP want to take Britain back 40 years and into isolation.

 

[SAFCOldie]

Get us out of the EU, it's a shambles.

 

[Pants]

Take your pick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_counties
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usfeatures/areas/
http://www.stayinwales.co.uk/wales.cfm?counties

When you say Holland is "even worse" than Britain for population density how do you think it still manages to function very well in terms of their increasing population, housing, agriculture, transport and industry ? Surely if you are right then it should be imminently becoming "a massive refugee camp" which is completely degraded. The fact that it isn't seems to suggest your line of thought on the matter is not right. Also the public debate is not one about "no more room" as the right wing of Britain keep trotting out in their dislike of Johnny Foreigners. That is because the right wing are spouting shite.

I can't see any mention of unused land on any of those links.

I never said it was imminent, merely inevitable. With a bit of luck, we'll both be dead before it gets to that stage, but I have no wish to dump such horrendous problems and quality of life on our future generations.

 

[El Matador]

Ah right, I see what you mean I think. So, lets say, a Bulgarian national was here on a work visa, their work visa status would remain until he/she left/re-entered the UK as an national of an EU country exercising their treaty rights?

What do you do for your job?

Before the freedom of movement work and living visas had to be got every three months. It was shite.

I think (its been a while)!

Nowt mate, im actually a Slovakian who came here last year and I just sit on the smb all day and claim every benefit going whilst dossing with nee job in me govt given house

Ha, actually, I work for a govt dept responsible for paying benefits and erm, taking some payments. I work as technical support (not IT but support for frontline caseworkers dealing with claims etc from people), and my actual specialist area ahem, is people entering the UK and claiming and their entitlement and required contributions, and also people living outside the UK and their entitlement and required contributions.

So you are the fucker who gives them £379 a week, free housing and all the tabs they can smoke the minute they stroll through Dover and start robbing !!

f***ing hell its the wife - get off here and get my bastard tea ready

Get us out of the EU, it's a shambles.

Good luck if that ever happens.

I can't see any mention of unused land on any of those links.

I never said it was imminent, merely inevitable. With a bit of luck, we'll both be dead before it gets to that stage, but I have no wish to dump such horrendous problems and quality of life on our future generations.

Greedy's in laws have got a few acres to be getting on with. We could start there.

Of course it's inevitable if the world population carries on multiplying as at present. It won't be a problem peculiar to Britain. Quite how Britain leaving the EU would solve that i have no idea though.

 

[Pants]

Greedy's in laws have got a few acres to be getting on with. We could start there.

Of course it's inevitable if the world population carries on multiplying as at present. It won't be a problem peculiar to Britain. Quite how Britain leaving the EU would solve that i have no idea though.

I'm sure they have, but they're probably being used for something.

Because it give some amount of control over numbers, as opposed to none.

 

[El Matador]

I'm sure they have, but they're probably being used for something.

Because it give some amount of control over numbers, as opposed to none.

It wouldn't though. The numbers of Brits in Europe is almost equal to the number of Europeans in Britain. Add onto that the extra resources that would be needed to accommodate the returning Brits and a worse position would be arrived at than at present.
I'm sure Wiltshire aristocratic country parks can be put to much better use than a subsidy cash cow for toffs.

 

[Brexit]

It wouldn't though. The numbers of Brits in Europe is almost equal to the number of Europeans in Britain. Add onto that the extra resources that would be needed to accommodate the returning Brits and a worse position would be arrived at than at present.
I'm sure Wiltshire aristocratic country parks can be put to much better use than a subsidy cash cow for toffs.

You do know that if the Brits are sent back then we'd be doing the same with immigrants here from the EU, right?

 

[SAFCOldie]

Good luck if that ever happens.

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It has to happen, the people of this country will eventually see at even the most basic level it is an organisation with a large amount of borderline neo-nazis and communists in its parliament and I for one want my country having nothing to do with this sort of organisation.

 

[Pants]

It wouldn't though. The numbers of Brits in Europe is almost equal to the number of Europeans in Britain. Add onto that the extra resources that would be needed to accommodate the returning Brits and a worse position would be arrived at than at present.
I'm sure Wiltshire aristocratic country parks can be put to much better use than a subsidy cash cow for toffs.

Returning Brits? Who says they're returning? Anyway, you seem to looking at this in a very short-term way. I'm talking about things getting steadily worse over the decades.

Country parks are essential wildlife havens. You can't build or farm on them without seriously damaging biodiversity.

 

[El Matador]

I can't see any mention of unused land on any of those links.

Give this article a read, it might set your mind at rest a little about the imminent "one massive refugee camp in a degraded landscape". Don't listen to the right wingers and their "we're full" nonsense they use to back up their dislike of foreigners and against EU membership and EU immigrants.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18623096

 

[WheyHey]

Does your brain shrink the older you get?

 

[HellsBells]

I wasn't talking about exponential growth rate though. I was talking about the explicit annual figures I quoted.


* Pedants' Conference


Why have you used the definite article? I think this is an indication of where you're going wrong.

If you still think my usage of the word 'rate' is wrong, can you then explain why the OED gives the usage" buying up sites at a rate of one a month" as an example? A usage that I'm sure that is perfectly understood by the vast majority of the English speaking world.

Because in the example of population growth, the rate is a rate of increase. Therefore it is relative to the base population.

It's all about context. Big you know that, and you're just being a worky ticket. I'm glad you weren't in my class.

 

[El Matador]

You do know that if the Brits are sent back then we'd be doing the same with immigrants here from the EU, right?

You don't get it do you ?
Brits will not have the automatic right to work or live in European countries, the same will be true for Europeans living in Britain. No one (apart from loony right wingers) is talking of people being sent back anywhere. What will happen though is that a lot of Brits will return as the red tape and hassle of living and working in Europe will not be worth the hassle. Also a lot of Europeans will leave Britain for the same reasons plus they will likely not want to live in a country which is showing hostility towards foreigners.
Think for a minute about the demographics of who will be leaving and who will be returning.

 

[Dazza619]

I wonder why you picked Holland as your comparison?

Is it because along with Belgium they are the only EU countries more densely popukated than the UK?

Of course it ignores the fact that nearly half of the UK'S land mass is Scotland, which is very sparsely populated.

England is the most densely populated country in Europe. There is no more room.

Even including Scotland, the UK is amongst the most densely populated countries in Europe. I'm not sure if you are suggesting we tarmac over the Highlands to deal with immigration?

I'm quite surprised nobody answered that one. Then again you get the impression they'd rather see what's left of the countryside built over than their foreign born mates have to leave London. How many (or what percentage for the pedants and rate fans) of the leftys are actually living full time in the North East? Again I get the impression that they're mostly based outside of the North East in areas where a decent amount of the population, and indeed their social circle, are of foreign origin. Their opinions are as biased as the screaming right. Their need to be some compromise somewhere between the 2 sides of the coin, but things as they are certainly aren't working.

 

[El Matador]

It has to happen, the people of this country will eventually see at even the most basic level it is an organisation with a large amount of borderline neo-nazis and communists in its parliament and I for one want my country having nothing to do with this sort of organisation.

Only if they are stupid or bigots.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11721146

Returning Brits? Who says they're returning? Anyway, you seem to looking at this in a very short-term way. I'm talking about things getting steadily worse over the decades.

Country parks are essential wildlife havens. You can't build or farm on them without seriously damaging biodiversity.

Short term it would be chaos. Long term it would be isolation and terminal decline for Britain if they leave the EU.

Read that link i posted.

Does your brain shrink the older you get?

It would appear s.......... Errr what was the question ?

 

[Maxie]

Before the freedom of movement work and living visas had to be got every three months. It was shite.



So you are the fucker who gives them £379 a week, free housing and all the tabs they can smoke the minute they stroll through Dover and start robbing !!



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well, according to thee SMB that's what apparently happens!

Of course the reality is that is daily mail esque bull

 

[El Matador]

I'm quite surprised nobody answered that one. Then again you get the impression they'd rather see what's left of the countryside built over than their foreign born mates have to leave London. How many (or what percentage for the pedants and rate fans) of the leftys are actually living full time in the North East? Again I get the impression that they're mostly based outside of the North East in areas where a decent amount of the population, and indeed their social circle, are of foreign origin. Their opinions are as biased as the screaming right. Their need to be some compromise somewhere between the 2 sides of the coin, but things as they are certainly aren't working.

It was answered. The reality however does not fit in with the right wing soundbite of "we're full" in their haste to be frightened of having to talk too or live amongst foreigners. >>>>>
Land built on
SOURCE: NEA

UK 1.5%
England 2.3%
Scotland 0.4%
Wales 0.9%
Northern Ireland 0.8%

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18623096

If you have a problem with people having a different opinion to yourself who don't live in the North East can i suggest you don't use a messageboard on the world wide web but stick to one in Durham. Do you have many problems with immigrants in East Rainton ?

well, according to thee SMB that's what apparently happens!

Of course the reality is that is daily mail esque bull

Tell me about it !! I've had years of arguing against that ignorant bullshit on here.

 

[Dazza619]

It was answered. The reality however does not fit in with the right wing soundbite of "we're full" in their haste to be frightened of having to talk to or live amongst foreigners. >>>>>
Land built on
SOURCE: NEA

UK 1.5%
England 2.3%
Scotland 0.4%
Wales 0.9%
Northern Ireland 0.8%

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18623096

If you have a problem with people having a different opinion to yourself who don't live in the North East can i suggest you don't use a messageboard on the world wide web but stick to one in Durham. Do you have many problems with immigrants in East Rainton ?

Nope, not many at all. Why get so upset? Time of the month? If you have a problem with people having a different opinion to yourself who do live in the North East, why do you come on a forum aimed at people from the North East? Try thinking before you type numb nuts.

 

[Pants]

Because in the example of population growth, the rate is a rate of increase. Therefore it is relative to the base population.

It's all about context. Big you know that, and you're just being a worky ticket. I'm glad you weren't in my class.

Ah, right. Now I see where we're at odds. I wasn't talking about growth relative to the base population. I was just talking about it as a simple frequency of increase over time, relative to, well.. zero.

You're right, it is about context, but I am not being a worky ticket (not in this instance, anyway). I was simply using the word 'rate' in a commonly understood and valid form. I can imagine how you might have difficulty seeing it that way if you've spent your life buried in maths books and numerical work, but most people haven't. I would accuse you of being a bit square, but no doubt you'd argue that you lack the requisite right-angles.

 

[Wierd Valley Mackem]

You do know that if the Brits are sent back then we'd be doing the same with immigrants here from the EU, right?

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He doesnt half like the sound of his own voice reminds me of Harry Enfields self righteous bloke