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I couldn't give a fuck. Give it to you or JarvisAnd brings in who exactly?
We'll cross that bridge when it arrives
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I couldn't give a fuck. Give it to you or JarvisAnd brings in who exactly?
Aye. Just have misgivings about any manager demanding being hands on at the academy since it is highly unlikely he will ever see the full fruits of what he puts in place
To me, it is quite obvious what the message is from Poyet. If he is to stay, there must be a transition of power in the overall running of the club from the SoL to the AoL.
Root and branch transformation by football people, not suits. Policy regarding the youth / senior team and their inter-locking is being used, in this specific example, as another point in case as to how things need to change.
Poyet is advocating running the football club his way. I agree a manager should have this kind of power, but am not convinced Gus would necessarily be the right man. The fact he identifies it alone helps his case, though.
Whether he gets this power will be key to whether he stays.
DoneI think that as long as it's the more superficial matters like the ones he is talking about and not actually trying to dictate the coaching etc, it'll be fine. Clear your conversations, btw
Why should he not be able to dictate the coaching? Surely at the full time level of the academy he would be justified in doing that to ensure consistency and a smoother and indeed quicker route to the first team.I think that as long as it's the more superficial matters like the ones he is talking about and not actually trying to dictate the coaching etc, it'll be fine. Clear your conversations, btw
Done
If this is about club culture then I can't see who'd be against it tbh[/QUOTE
Only those currently setting the agenda....
Hopefully it also means he wants the youth team from all ages playing his way so that when they do step up they already know the rolesMay well be. He's definitely calling out the regime to back his changes, whatever they may be. Says happy to work with DOF also. Should think Ellis will back him.
He couldn't dictate a f***ing letter man. This is the result of recruiting someone who had never managed at this level.Why should he not be able to dictate the coaching? Surely at the full time level of the academy he would be justified in doing that to ensure consistency and a smoother and indeed quicker route to the first team.
Spot onHopefully it also means he wants the youth team from all ages playing his way so that when they do step up they already know the roles
Give Ower man. Played at the top level all his life and coached at this level with a first team and managed a decent size club in the second tierHe couldn't dictate a f***ing letter man. This is the result of recruiting someone who had never managed at this level.
Why should he not be able to dictate the coaching? Surely at the full time level of the academy he would be justified in doing that to ensure consistency and a smoother and indeed quicker route to the first team.
I agree with that and suggest that is LC responsibilityI think that's more about philosophy rather than actual coaching, and I agree a philosophy needs to run through the whole club. But I was talking more about the individual developments of the young players and the wider policies of how to get the academy producing quality.
He's talking in riddles. Absolute nonsense from day to dayDidn't he say this last week, then said he doesn't know a few days afterwards? He's done the same thing since the League Cup final.
Bassa - beat me to it.What he seems to be saying - and I apologize if I'm just running over covered ground here - is that the club and set-up has become complacent in a misguided notion that the academy system that is currently in place is going to burgeon just by the very nature of the system, but what has actually happened is that the academy set-up has been wrong-tracked into being an end in itself for those involved, and the notion that as long as the system is supplied as needed, this hoop-jumping is eventually going to lead to us harvesting a fresh crop of academy graduates, but; what has happened is that the over-reliance on the system and physical development of the academy players has, through some process, been internalised by staff and pupils alike. The grand issue, if I'm interpreting Mr. Poyet's diagnosis correctly, is mentality. There is a gap in the coherence of the initiatives, it has become as heterarchy of cells.
If that's indeed what he's trying to convey, it makes a whole lot of sense.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/15/sunderland-gus-poyet-resign?CMP=twt_gu
What does he mean by this though?
"The change when you become a first-teamer is very small. I'd like to make it a little bit bigger. That doesn't say you're going to give the young players rubbish but it should be different. At the moment I'm the head coach, not the manager so it's not my responsibility."
He couldn't dictate a f***ing letter man. This is the result of recruiting someone who had never managed at this level.
Just goes to show why the AoL hasn't worked. We just chucked a load of money at it, thinking modern facilities would reward us with quality young players. The set-up has never been addressed in terms of getting the right personnel in to lead the project. Massive shame.I took it to mean the youngsters got all the same facilities and set-up as the first team but haven't really earned it, the difference should be there to make them more hungry to succeed. When we recently released some of the youngsters there was a few rumours kicking about it was because their attitude wasn't right, could fit in with this?