I hope we take a best practice commercial approach to appointing the Head Coach

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the streaker said:
did mate ............Congerton signed him period despite what you then try and twist into it.................

And trying to paint it as if Congerton is deeply valued and we all think hes doing a good job doesn't wash at all........theres as many unconvinced about a bloke whose never really been much more than a glorified scout until we gave him a top seat here...........
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what does a technical director do? out of interest ..
 


TopCat said:
Signing Pantillimon, van Aanholt, Coates, Gomez & Defoe
Renewing the contract of Seb Larsson (POTY)
Negotiating the swap of Altidore & Defoe
Sacking Poyet
Hiring Advocaat
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Bloody hell. You're giving Congerton the credit for signing Sebastian Coates, who was clearly a Poyet signing? And Jordi Gomez, a free transfer from the Championship, who was poor for most of the season? And in a fairly short list you're giving him the credit for signing Defoe twice?

And why aren't you referencing the biggest two signings of the last 12 months - Rodwell and Alvarez? Or a known crock in Billy Jones?

Or sanctioning a deal where we now have to sign Vergini, even though nobody other than Poyet rates him?
 
TopCat said:
what does a technical director do? out of interest ..
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god knows its as vague as hell.................

Doubtless here comes the spin that's its a deeply involved highly skilled role that no club can survive without................
 
the streaker said:
god knows its as vague as hell.................

Doubtless here comes the spin that's its a deeply involved highly skilled role that no club can survive without................
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So you can't really call him a "glorified scout" when you don't know what his roles and responsibilities are?

I think it was a good indication for his skills and reputation that WBA tried to poach him to replace Dan Ashworth when we joined the FA and that Hamburg turned down that approach. Neither would have been likely if he was the incompetent, bumbling fool that some on here would paint him as

Lanchesterredandwhite said:
Bloody hell. You're giving Congerton the credit for signing Sebastian Coates, who was clearly a Poyet signing?
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So....the SD only takes "credit" for the poor signings and not the good ones? He either signs all the players or none of them - you can't pin just the duds on him. Even if Coates was a Poyet suggestion/request, it was Congerton who signed him
 
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TopCat said:
So you can't really call him a "glorified scout" when you don't know what his roles and responsibilities are?

I think it was a good indication for his skills and reputation that WBA tried to poach him to replace Dan Ashworth when we joined the FA and that Hamburg turned down that approach. Neither would have been likely if he was the incompetent, bumbling fool that some on here would paint him as
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And you cant trumpet him as some sort of super hero when hes had his current job title once here and for just over a year and previously has someone above him in that role with a job title that's as vague as hell..................

Post 42 is canny as well.........
 
the streaker said:
You know the context...........WBA approaching him is hardly the ringing endorsement you have painted is it..................
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Neither is it proof of his incompetence. Largely, when a company attempts to poach or "head hunt" you from your current role it is a sign that you are performing well in your role. Don't underestimate how good a job Ashworth did at WBA and how well thought of he was/is in footballing circles
 
This thread wasn't supposed to be a debate about Congerton! He is in the position he is in....

We need to be looking at the best way to decide upon the next Head Coach. There are numerous threads on here that randomly trumpet various names for the role and they prove my point entirely eg they have no real depth of analysis behind them other than individual judgements based on at best a at distance view of candidates.

Rigour is needed and my very strong view is that external, professional, specialist support should be brought in to ensure we do this thoroughly and properly
 
TopCat said:
So....the SD only takes "credit" for the poor signings and not the good ones? He either signs all the players or none of them - you can't pin just the duds on him. Even if Coates was a Poyet suggestion/request, it was Congerton who signed him
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But that's what you're doing in reverse by giving Congerton the credit for a signing in Coates which everyone knows was one of Poyet's.

If you are saying that Congerton is responsible for all signings, then the odd good signing (Pantilimon, van Aanholt) is dwarfed by the shite signings that we brought in on Congerton's watch - Bridcutt, Buckley, Vergini, Rodwell, Alvarez, Jones, and Gomez (for most of the season).

Do you think our player recruitment has been impressive since Lee Congerton arrived? :eek:
 
Lanchesterredandwhite said:
But that's what you're doing in reverse by giving Congerton the credit for a signing in Coates which everyone knows was one of Poyet's.

If you are saying that Congerton is responsible for all signings, then the odd good signing (Pantilimon, van Aanholt) is dwarfed by the shite signings that we brought in on Congerton's watch - Bridcutt, Buckley, Vergini, Rodwell, Alvarez, Jones, and Gomez (for most of the season).

Do you think our player recruitment has been impressive since Lee Congerton arrived? :eek:
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Bridcutt came in 3 months before Congerton joined the club.

From there, it's all subjective. You could argue that Pants, PVA, Coates, Jones, Gomez, Defoe, Reviellere were all positive signings and improvements to the squad. Rodwell, Alvarez and Buckley were disappointing largely due to injury. Vergini is the only poor signing, but that deal was quite possibly in place before he even joined the club considering SV was already on loan
 
Dick has shown what a competent experienced manager can get out of this squad but at the end of the day good players make good team not managers.

We don't need someone to re-invent the wheel just steady the ship.
 
TopCat said:
Neither is it proof of his incompetence. Largely, when a company attempts to poach or "head hunt" you from your current role it is a sign that you are performing well in your role. Don't underestimate how good a job Ashworth did at WBA and how well thought of he was/is in footballing circles
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Aye its a ringing endorsement of how good he is being wanted by WBA................
Lanchesterredandwhite said:
But that's what you're doing in reverse by giving Congerton the credit for a signing in Coates which everyone knows was one of Poyet's.

If you are saying that Congerton is responsible for all signings, then the odd good signing (Pantilimon, van Aanholt) is dwarfed by the shite signings that we brought in on Congerton's watch - Bridcutt, Buckley, Vergini, Rodwell, Alvarez, Jones, and Gomez (for most of the season).

Do you think our player recruitment has been impressive since Lee Congerton arrived? :eek:
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Obviously yes we have clearly won the transfer windows..............
 
the streaker said:
do you trust a man with the limited experience of Congerton to make such an appointment...........?

I certainly have grave doubts............
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I keep saying - he's appointed one manager so far and he's got it spot on - Advocaat. Why not, for once, give him some credit?

the streaker said:
he also wasted all our summer budget on a crock.........0% record............ ;)
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No, this thread is about appointing managers.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
I keep saying - he's appointed one manager so far and he's got it spot on - Advocaat. Why not, for once, give him some credit?



No, this thread is about appointing managers.
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So lets get a good manager in but when he gets him players he buys shite..........Ellis Short has appointed the last 2/3 with the same brief to keep us up and hes had the same success......

Sorry but its about his inexperience to me for the position hes in...........
 
the streaker said:
So lets get a good manager in but when he gets him players he buys shite..........Ellis Short has appointed the last 2/3 with the same brief to keep us up and hes had the same success......

Sorry but its about his inexperience to me for the position hes in...........
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This thread is about appointing managers and you questioned Congerton - he has had one managerial appointment and done an excellent job, despite a lot of cynicism on here. You will, no doubt, ignore this point but I see it as a positive for Congerton - clearly you have decided nowt Congerton does is any good.
 
Lets put it in a bit context. We have an owner / chairman who is inexperienced in football, who has appointed two reletively inexperienced DoF's in sussession, who both went, until Dick, for inexperienced managers.

I think we can see where the club is lacking. The big decisions need some big experience behind them.

Do i trust Congerton? On his showing in the last year, not greatly. Not saying hes useless, but do i trust him to make a good decision here, on his own? I have my doubts
 
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