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There's no lets say about it.
So what he says isn't true ???EDL support with webcam = DEFINITIVE PROOF
So what he says isn't true ???
And there lies the problemI didn't watch it. Why would I? It's an EDL gadgy prattling on about Muslims for TWELVE MINUTES.
Well I didn't listen to it long but I would be surprised if he's right about a loads of wogs in 4x4's with machine guns on the top trying to expand IS into Europe any time soon.So what he says isn't true ???
So what he says isn't true ???
And there lies the problem
OK. So I we accept it's a problem and a muslim problem. What next?
What we have in Rotherham is a serious case of Child Sexual Exploitation. There are some clear characteristics of this crime:
- Systematic long term sexual abuse of children
- Multiple victims unrelated to the offenders
- Long term grooming of victims to normalise the behaviour
- Targeting of vulnerable children who are unlikely to be believed
- Authorities turning a blind eye or colluding in the abuse.
There are a significant number of cases like this where the abusers were muslims:
Rotherham, Bradford, Oxford, Oldham, etc.
There are also a very significant number of cases with the same characteristics which don’t involve Muslims:
Kincora, Bryn Esten, Rochdale, Peter Morrison, etc. You could probably add Jimmy Savile to this list.
There are also a series of cases still under police investigation including Elm Guest House. This is a scandal which goes way beyond Rotherham, and we need a full investigation into all of the allegations. Personally I am convinced that there is a massive story in County Durham from the 1980s waiting to come out.
The abuse by the muslim lads in Rotherham was abhorrent. But this is not a problem that starts or finishes with Muslims, and defining this as a Muslim problem does nothing to make our children safer.
What was the demographic of the Rochdale abusers? I assumed it was a similar case to Rotherham?
Edit: cryil Smith?
It was. I'd differ a little from LM as the way paedophilia manifests itself amongst perps in the Pakistani community is different (i.e. the M.O. is different), and we now have evidence that it is widespread geographically in the UK. So I think it is fair to consider it as a separate phenomenon from the other cases he cites. It is however one heck of a leap to go from that to blame Islam as a whole. We need proper investigation to understand what has gone on in these communities which has created the circumstances where these gangs think it's fine to operate in the way they do. The communities themselves will have some of the answers. We need a proper Leveson style judicial inquiry to examine, investigate, and draw considered conclusions.What was the demographic of the Rochdale abusers? I assumed it was a similar case to Rotherham?
Well I didn't listen to it long but I would be surprised if he's right about a loads of wogs in 4x4's with machine guns on the top trying to expand IS into Europe any time soon.
Still I could be wrong so WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT?
You, you are too sensible for this.It was. I'd differ a little from LM as the way paedophilia manifests itself amongst perps in the Pakistani community is different (i.e. the M.O. is different), and we now have evidence that it is widespread geographically in the UK. So I think it is fair to consider it as a separate phenomenon from the other cases he cites. It is however one heck of a leap to go from that to blame Islam as a whole. We need proper investigation to understand what has gone on in these communities which has created the circumstances where these gangs think it's fine to operate in the way they do. The communities themselves will have some of the answers. We need a proper Leveson style judicial inquiry to examine, investigate, and draw considered conclusions.
OK @paws, lets say this bloke and yourself are right. It's a Muslim problem condoned by the teachings of the quran and the example of the prophet and all followers of Islam are complicit. What is your solution? Do we make it illegal to follow the cult? Humour me here. What would you do about it if you were PM?
It was. I'd differ a little from LM as the way paedophilia manifests itself amongst perps in the Pakistani community is different (i.e. the M.O. is different), and we now have evidence that it is widespread geographically in the UK. So I think it is fair to consider it as a separate phenomenon from the other cases he cites. It is however one heck of a leap to go from that to blame Islam as a whole. We need proper investigation to understand what has gone on in these communities which has created the circumstances where these gangs think it's fine to operate in the way they do. The communities themselves will have some of the answers. We need a proper Leveson style judicial inquiry to examine, investigate, and draw considered conclusions.
What we have in Rotherham is a serious case of Child Sexual Exploitation. There are some clear characteristics of this crime:
- Systematic long term sexual abuse of children
- Multiple victims unrelated to the offenders
- Long term grooming of victims to normalise the behaviour
- Targeting of vulnerable children who are unlikely to be believed
- Authorities turning a blind eye or colluding in the abuse.
There are a significant number of cases like this where the abusers were muslims:
Rotherham, Bradford, Oxford, Oldham, etc.
There are also a very significant number of cases with the same characteristics which don’t involve Muslims:
Kincora, Bryn Esten, Rochdale, Peter Morrison, etc. You could probably add Jimmy Savile to this list.
There are also a series of cases still under police investigation including Elm Guest House. This is a scandal which goes way beyond Rotherham, and we need a full investigation into all of the allegations. Personally I am convinced that there is a massive story in County Durham from the 1980s waiting to come out.
The abuse by the muslim lads in Rotherham was abhorrent. But this is not a problem that starts or finishes with Muslims, and defining this as a Muslim problem does nothing to make our children safer.
OK @paws, lets say this bloke and yourself are right. It's a Muslim problem condoned by the teachings of the quran and the example of the prophet and all followers of Islam are complicit. What is your solution? Do we make it illegal to follow the cult? Humour me here. What would you do about it if you were PM?