Thatcher and the IRA

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Narraback said:
So fuck. He was a convicted terrorist.

So if a current MP decides to plant a deliver and plant a bomb, as Sands did, they should have some special dispensation because of their jobs ?
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You know nothing of the subject. Republican prisoners had already been granted political prisoner status earlier on but it was taken away from them. So they were going on hunger strike to try and get back an acknowledgement of their own status which they previously had.

It was not much to ask, but Thatcher had to let 10 of them starve themselves to death.

Watch the Thatcher documentary to educate yourself, even senior figures in her own party felt she was simply being stubborn for the sake of it. From Labour see what Kinnock said about her behaviour, he basically said she was out of order.
 
FootballFan said:
You know nothing of the subject. Republican prisoners had already been granted political prisoner status earlier on but it was taken away from them. So they were going on hunger strike to try and get back an acknowledgement of their own status which they previously had.

It was not much to ask, but Thatcher had to let 10 of them starve themselves to death.

Watch the Thatcher documentary to educate yourself, even senior figures in her own party felt she was simply being stubborn for the sake of it. From Labour see what Kinnock said about her behaviour, he basically said she was out of order.
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So not enough smilies and not enough banned words to call you a clueless **** :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
FootballFan said:
You know nothing of the subject. Republican prisoners had already been granted political prisoner status earlier on but it was taken away from them. So they were going on hunger strike to try and get back an acknowledgement of their own status which they previously had.

It was not much to ask, but Thatcher had to let 10 of them starve themselves to death.

Watch the Thatcher documentary to educate yourself, even senior figures in her own party felt she was simply being stubborn for the sake of it. From Labour see what Kinnock said about her behaviour, he basically said she was out of order.
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I know plenty about the subject. And fuck off with your 'republican prisoners' shite. They were murdering, psychopathic scum, not freedom fighters. These people, when free, had all the benefits of a modern western democracy. They walked the streets, had freedom of speech, and most importantly access to the ballot box. They chose to indiscriminately masacre thousands of men, women and children. Political prisoners my arse. They weren't living under an oppressive regime like North Korea FFS. The reason the political prisoner status was removed is because the weren't political prisoners. They were convicted terrorists. Thatcher was right.
 
Narraback said:
I know plenty about the subject. And fuck off with your 'republican prisoners' shite. They were murdering, psychopathic scum, not freedom fighters. These people, when free, had all the benefits of a modern western democracy. They walked the streets, had freedom of speech, and most importantly access to the ballot box. They chose to indiscriminately masacre thousands of men, women and children. Political prisoners my arse. They weren't living under an oppressive regime like North Korea FFS. The reason the political prisoner status was removed is because the weren't political prisoners. They were convicted terrorists. Thatcher was right.
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:eek: Out of your depth.
 
FootballFan said:
:eek: Out of your depth.
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Did they walk the streets ? Did they have the same freedom of speech as everyone else ? Did they have fair access to the ballot box ? Could they form a legitimate political party ? Could they become members of Parliament ?

They weren't oppressed, they weren't freedom fighters, they were murderers. Again, Thatcher was right.
 
Narraback said:
Did they walk the streets ? Did they have the same freedom of speech as everyone else ? Did they have fair access to the ballot box ? Could they form a legitimate political party ? Could they become members of Parliament ?

They weren't oppressed, they weren't freedom fighters, they were murderers. Again, Thatcher was right.
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Were they discriminated against?

Was a peaceful protest open fired at by British troops?

<shakes head/>
 
FootballFan said:
Were they discriminated against?

Was a peaceful protest open fired at by British troops?

<shakes head/>
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Yes, they were discriminated against but not oppressed, and yes, Bloody Sunday was shocking. But they weren't political prisoners. Political prisoners are held for their views, not criminal behaviour. Bobby Sands was a convicted terrorist. You can be his apologist if you choose.
 
Narraback said:
Yes, they were discriminated against but not oppressed, and yes, Bloody Sunday was shocking. But they weren't political prisoners. Political prisoners are held for their views, not criminal behaviour. Bobby Sands was a convicted terrorist. You can be his apologist if you choose.
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Most political prisoners were.
 
Narraback said:
Did they walk the streets ? Did they have the same freedom of speech as everyone else ? Did they have fair access to the ballot box ? Could they form a legitimate political party ? Could they become members of Parliament ?

They weren't oppressed, they weren't freedom fighters, they were murderers. Again, Thatcher was right.
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No you are seriously out of your depth, you obviously have no knowledge of how or why the Provisionals were formed, and that aside, anything about the civil rights issues and how Catholics in Northern Ireland were treat like second class citizens for decades. If you want a classic example of this, read about the Catholics who were 'lucky' enough to get a job, or about Catholics and Harland and Wolf, shit like that was still going decades after the Titanic, and was a major factor in the early 60's riots which the Provos were basically born out of. Your whole thing about the ballot box is largely irrelevant bollocks aswell, since Britain 'deliberately' formed Northern Ireland so that Loyalist Protestants would always outnumber Republicans, so it's not like they could just simply democratically 'outvote' them. Incidentally, the ones who did win seats democratically refused to take their seats but I can't be arsed to go into all the complicated nuances of why you're talking a load of f***ing shit. Pick up a book or something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Northern_Ireland_riots
 
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Narraback said:
Yes, they were discriminated against but not oppressed, and yes, Bloody Sunday was shocking. But they weren't political prisoners. Political prisoners are held for their views, not criminal behaviour. Bobby Sands was a convicted terrorist. You can be his apologist if you choose.
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He was convicted of possession of a firearm iirc
.him and three others were sentenced to 14 years for possession of e same firearm that was found in a car
 
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Thurston said:
No you are seriously out of your depth, you obviously have no knowledge of how or why the Provisionals were formed, and that aside, anything about the civil rights issues and how Catholics in Northern Ireland were treat like second class citizens for decades. If you want a classic example of this, read about the Catholics who were 'lucky' enough to get a job, or about Catholics and Harland and Wolf, shit like that was still going decades after the Titanic, and was a major factor in the early 60's riots which the Provos were basically born out of. Your whole thing about the ballot box is largely irrelevant bollocks aswell, since Britain 'deliberately' formed Northern Ireland so that Loyalist Protestants would always outnumber Republicans, so it's not like they could just simply democratically 'outvote' them. Incidentally, the ones who did win seats democratically refused to take their seats but I can't be arsed to go into all the complicated nuances of why you're talking a load of f***ing shit. Pick up a book or something.
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I know all about the history, thank you very much. I may not have read as many books as you on the subject, but I know full well how the Catholics were treat. But to compare what happened in the North of Ireland to the oppression North Korea or China under Mao is f***ing ridiculous. And to somehow imply that the Provos were justified in the massacre of thousands of innocent men, women and children beggars belief. And to further claim that Sands and Co. were political prisoners is risible.
 
Narraback said:
In which countries ?
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All of them mate, but lets not get sidetracked talking about Mandela or whoever, its not really relevant.

If you don't think they were political prisoners why were many of them released as part of the peace agreement? That doesn't really tally with your black and white view of the world does it?
 
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