Well this plane crash/shooting down knacks the 9/11 nutters

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ravydavygravy said:
So you accept that a commercial pilot could feasibly fly into the side of the pentagon?
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Yes it's feasible. Although CCTV would confirm it. Why haven't they released any of the 100's of camera that were pointed at the pentagon? Would shut a lot of people (like me up).

monkeytassle said:
I thought that was the conclusion when you posted photos of the crash site.
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No, just observed that a plane fully laden with passengers and the like couldn't have crashed and made that little crater.
 
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monkeytassle said:
I still don't get what you're angling at. was there a plane crash? was there a plane? if it wasn't a plane crash what was it?
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Dunno, ask the U.S military. One thing it wasn't, was a plane crash. It fits into the agenda though that the passengers and crew, hollywood style brought it down themselves. In doing so vaporised the entire plane and bodies into thin air, yeah right.
 
not spavin said:
Do you think there's CCTV footage that shows conclusively something other than a plane hitting the Pentagon?
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Well... isnt that the point. That people want to see the footage, but it hasnt been released?
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
Yes it's feasible. Although CCTV would confirm it. Why haven't they released any of the 100's of camera that were pointed at the pentagon? Would shut a lot of people (like me up).
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1. They weren't pointing at the sky.
2. They weren't all pointing in the same direction.
3. The plane was caught on cctv and pictures were released.
 
Anthrax666 said:
Well... isnt that the point. That people want to see the footage, but it hasnt been released?
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What footage? Where do CCTV cameras normally point? The plane that hit the Pentagon was travelling at about 800 feet per second. Think of the footage you normally get from CCTV cameras which tend, for obvious reasons, to be pointed towards ground level. Imagine, for example, a bank's exterior CCTV cameras, and a plane flying past them at 800 feet per second. What sort of quality images do you think they would capture?
 
Occam's Razor said:
What footage? Where do CCTV cameras normally point? The plane that hit the Pentagon was travelling at about 800 feet per second. Think of the footage you normally get from CCTV cameras which tend, for obvious reasons, to be pointed towards ground level. Imagine, for example, a bank's exterior CCTV cameras, and a plane flying past them at 800 feet per second. What sort of quality images do you think they would capture?
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The sort of quality that the released CCTV footage shows?
 
The Lambton Worm said:
1. They weren't pointing at the sky.
2. They weren't all pointing in the same direction.
3. The plane was caught on cctv and pictures were released.
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3 frames of an explosion don't constitute a release. Show me the plane then if they are that conclusive.

Your other two points are just plain bollocks. Don't know where to even start. You obviously haven't got the foggiest how many cameras are in and around the Pentagon. Last time I looked the plane didn't just drop out of the sky, it flew in a convoluted loop then approached metres from the ground for nearly a mile before it smashed into the building, so cameras wouldn't have to point into the sky :rolleyes:. Cameras from petrol stations and shops etc in and around were all confiscated, why would that be?
 
Hammer said:
The sort of quality that the released CCTV footage shows?
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Same as I would expect. Strangely though, some people are adamant that there should exist full HD footage of the plane making its full horrific approach to the Pentagon, because obviously the Pentagon should have had loads of cameras pointing into the sky, for reasons unknown.

Of course, we all know what the reaction would be if, by some remarkable chance, one camera had just happened to perfectly capture the plane flying into it: "Like CCTV would be that good, yeah right! No way would the Pentagon have had cameras there unless they knew. No way is that footage real" etc etc.
 
You have to be an utter moron to compare a plane breaking up in mid air to a plane vaporizing into the side of a building at full pelt.

Of course you will find all sorts of stuff if a plane has broken up and fallen to the ground. You won't find any paper substance (greetings card, passport, business card) in a plane that has turned two dimensional into a building, ignited into gulfs of jet fuelled flames and eventually collapsed under heaps and heaps of rubble 100 odd storeys below.

You might find a fragment of one singular passport but not much more.

9/11 was a hugely different event to what happened in Ukraine
 
Occam's Razor said:
What footage? Where do CCTV cameras normally point? The plane that hit the Pentagon was travelling at about 800 feet per second. Think of the footage you normally get from CCTV cameras which tend, for obvious reasons, to be pointed towards ground level. Imagine, for example, a bank's exterior CCTV cameras, and a plane flying past them at 800 feet per second. What sort of quality images do you think they would capture?
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In the case of the Pentagon, they point all awer, every conceivable angle and viewpoint are covered.
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
3 frames of an explosion don't constitute a release. Show me the plane then if they are that conclusive.

Your other two points are just plain bollocks. Don't know where to even start. You obviously haven't got the foggiest how many cameras are in and around the Pentagon. Last time I looked the plane didn't just drop out of the sky, it flew in a convoluted loop then approached metres from the ground for nearly a mile before it smashed into the building, so cameras wouldn't have to point into the sky :rolleyes:. Cameras from petrol stations and shops etc in and around were all confiscated, why would that be?
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You don't know where to start because you don't have a clue.

None of the cctv cameras anywhere near the Pentagon or in the Pentagon were pointing towards the plane you divvy. They were pointing at petrol station forecourts, bank doors, car parks all of which are at street level. They're not pointing up to the sky. That's why there's no cctv footage about apart from the one inside the Pentagon and the one pointing towards a hotel carpark that caught the impact. Also the plane didn't fly for nearly a mile only metres from the ground. Unless you mean 100 metres as "only metres".

The cctv footage from around the Pentagon was seized because there was an immediate investigation in to what had happened. This happens all the time. Its no big deal.
 
Bishop Mackem said:
You have to be an utter moron to compare a plane breaking up in mid air to a plane vaporizing into the side of a building at full pelt.

Of course you will find all sorts of stuff if a plane has broken up and fallen to the ground. You won't find any paper substance (greetings card, passport, business card) in a plane that has turned two dimensional into a building, ignited into gulfs of jet fuelled flames and eventually collapsed under heaps and heaps of rubble 100 odd storeys below.

You might find a fragment of one singular passport but not much more.

9/11 was a hugely different event to what happened in Ukraine
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You do know that they found a business card and passport of one of the terrorists that crashed into the twin towers, don't you?
 
Bishop Mackem said:
You have to be an utter moron to compare a plane breaking up in mid air to a plane vaporizing into the side of a building at full pelt.
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Well that's exactly what you then proceeded to do. Anyway, neither of the planes which flew into the WTC was vapourised.

Bishop Mackem said:
You won't find any paper substance (greetings card, passport, business card) in a plane that has turned two dimensional into a building, ignited into gulfs of jet fuelled flames and eventually collapsed under heaps and heaps of rubble 100 odd storeys below.
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Yes you will. Loads of stuff was found from the planes at the WTC site, some of it made from paper. Life vests, seat cushions, in-flight magazines, at least one passport, bits of bodies, an air miles card belonging to a passenger, loads of bits of the planes themselves.
 
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