Player Problem at Sunderland?

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Ferguson was appointed manager at Old Trafford on 6 November 1986. He was initially worried that many of the players, such as Norman Whiteside, Paul McGrath and Bryan Robson were drinking too much and was "depressed" by their level of fitness, but he managed to increase the players' discipline and United climbed up the table to finish the season in 11th place, having been 21st (second from bottom) when he took over.

No revolt or players crying.....they got on with it and finished 11th!
 


Yes, but football was different back then - if you kicked your players' teeth out, "he fell down the stairs when pissed" was as good as a forensic investigation.
 
Aye, how did that work out for McGrath and Whiteside?

PS There wasn't a players revolt or crying at Sunderland. Ferguson knew how to do it without being a nut case, unlike Di Canio. Our players look considerably more fit now than they did under PDC.

It's all well and good having ideas. But if you don't have the people skills to impliment them it's pointless.
 
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SAF proved on numerous occasions he was the boss and no player/players were bigger than the club.
He demanded respect.
PDC just went about it the wrong way, but he was right about the fitness and attitude.
Are we now saying we are down because of a players revolt, or are we down because our players have no pride and can not be motivated?
 
MakemIndo said:
SAF proved on numerous occasions he was the boss and no player/players were bigger than the club.
He demanded respect.
PDC just went about it the wrong way, but he was right about the fitness and attitude.
Are we now saying we are down because of a players revolt, or are we down because our players have no pride and can not be motivated?
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Our team is what is wrong with modern football. We pay average players high wages, they can't be forced to do anything as they are already minted and have no desire to win. However when we do have a decent player the big clubs sniff and then the contract to the club means very little so off they pop and leave us short
 
safcforever said:
Our team is what is wrong with modern football. We pay average players high wages, they can't be forced to do anything as they are already minted and have no desire to win. However when we do have a decent player the big clubs sniff and then the contract to the club means very little so off they pop and leave us short
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Where's that ferkin 'Don't like this' button - too true, sadly.
 
LineTrash said:
Ferguson was appointed manager at Old Trafford on 6 November 1986. He was initially worried that many of the players, such as Norman Whiteside, Paul McGrath and Bryan Robson were drinking too much and was "depressed" by their level of fitness, but he managed to increase the players' discipline and United climbed up the table to finish the season in 11th place, having been 21st (second from bottom) when he took over.

No revolt or players crying.....they got on with it and finished 11th!
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Same happend at arsenal when wenger took ower

Adams Merson etc

MakemIndo said:
SAF proved on numerous occasions he was the boss and no player/players were bigger than the club.
He demanded respect.
PDC just went about it the wrong way, but he was right about the fitness and attitude.
Are we now saying we are down because of a players revolt, or are we down because our players have no pride and can not be motivated?
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Your best post ever marra
 
The player's remuneration should be based on a barometer at the end of each match.

Each player wud line up and Gus wud touch them on the head and let the fans demonstrate how well each individual player had performed. The louder the cheers/applause (a minimum decibel level us need to be established) the player Eudora get all/some/none of their wages.

That wud motivate them.

I know this cud never work, but it is a good concept.
 
safcforever said:
Our team is what is wrong with modern football. We pay average players high wages, they can't be forced to do anything as they are already minted and have no desire to win. However when we do have a decent player the big clubs sniff and then the contract to the club means very little so off they pop and leave us short
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You sir have got our current plight in a nutshell, and to make matters worse, I don't see it improving any time soon.
 
A more straightforwad way of deciding if players should get their wages would be get the breathalyzer out before training, anyone who has any alcohol in his system is sent home and docked pay, they are professionals and should act as such. (Imagine the queue outside Maggie's office!)
 
Kid Galahad said:
A more straightforwad way of deciding if players should get their wages would be get the breathalyzer out before training, anyone who has any alcohol in his system is sent home and docked pay, they are professionals and should act as such. (Imagine the queue outside Maggie's office!)
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Sick of hearing it, there have been so many clearouts, top to bottom tht I don't believe it's any worse than anywhere else. Poyet's record has been so bad, on all fronts, that he is looking for excuses. You've all seen what's happened on the pitch, that's where the problems start and end.
 
Poyet isn't on the pitch like. I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes but this bunch would drive anyone to distraction.
How many managers do this bunch of wasters have to get sacked before you see them as the main problem?
 
redgauntlet said:
Sick of hearing it, there have been so many clearouts, top to bottom tht I don't believe it's any worse than anywhere else. Poyet's record has been so bad, on all fronts, that he is looking for excuses. You've all seen what's happened on the pitch, that's where the problems start and end.
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Poor professionals make poor players, or at least not as good as they could be, that is also evident on the pitch.
 
redgauntlet said:
Sick of hearing it, there have been so many clearouts, top to bottom tht I don't believe it's any worse than anywhere else. Poyet's record has been so bad, on all fronts, that he is looking for excuses. You've all seen what's happened on the pitch, that's where the problems start and end.
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We sign other relegated teams players. They join us and fight for relegation. When we go down no doubt the ones who move will join a newly promoted team or a just survived team. No ambition and no drive. They all want to be a big fish in a small pond so they can strut around thinking they can do what the fuck they want because the player who backs them up is even worse. Rather than fighting for a position they just think ill be better than him and I'm picked. If not who gives a fuck ill still be paid
 
Kid Galahad said:
Poor professionals make poor players, or at least not as good as they could be, that is also evident on the pitch.
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I don't believe that the likes of Brown and O Shea are poor professionals all of a sudden. The culture of blame is terrible on here. I simply think think we have continually replaced good players (skill wise) with worse (expection of AJ), and that has put us into queer street. All we needed was last close seasons mess, where we added players who were never near the mark for this league. Add to that the January signings and you have the current fiasco, Poyet is culpable in that but the crux of the matter is money, we don't want to pay for better so we haven't got them.

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We sign other relegated teams players. They join us and fight for relegation. When we go down no doubt the ones who move will join a newly promoted team or a just survived team. No ambition and no drive. They all want to be a big fish in a small pond so they can strut around thinking they can do what the fuck they want because the player who backs them up is even worse. Rather than fighting for a position they just think ill be better than him and I'm picked. If not who gives a fuck ill still be paid
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You're looking for some reason to blame the players, as a group, with the tactics/formations we've played them in, they just can't do it. There are several flaws that spring to mind, lack of a striker, errors at the back, of ten caused by players not picking attackers up outside the box. Crosses not cut out at source. It's more than the players to blame for that. They closed down well enough in O'Neill's time and the set pieces weren't causing so much mayhem.
 
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