religion. what is the point?

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AlpineExile said:
I'll ask again:

please define/explain this god [God] you claim to believe in please.

Thanks in advance, blah blah blee.


So I guess this means that your god is different to Lewberry's god ...
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Dangermows doesn't really believe in yahweh the Christian God, but aside from that there's one God, Allah, zeus etc, they're one and the same, just different cultures manipulate things to suit themselves but God is just a supernatural being not restricted by time etc

BTW by saying I claim to believe in God are you implying that I'm lying?
 


Lewberry pie said:
Dangermows doesn't really believe in yahweh the Christian God, but aside from that there's one God, Allah, zeus etc, they're one and the same, just different cultures manipulate things to suit themselves but God is just a supernatural being not restricted by time etc

BTW by saying I claim to believe in God are you implying that I'm lying?
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:confused:

I asked that question of the DM threesome, but - hey - who knows what folk actually believe as opposed to what they claim to believe. According to some purported theists on here, suicide bombers don't believe what they claim to believe.
 
AlpineExile said:
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I asked that question of the DM threesome, but - hey - who knows what folk actually believe as opposed to what they claim to believe. According to some purported theists on here, suicide bombers don't believe what they claim to believe.
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Aah right, well I wouldn't know anything about them nut cases
 
Randy Ostrich said:
Indeed and I think we all do. Environment and upbringing may skew it slightly but I'd wager that most people are well aware of doing something that is 'morally wrong' when they do it. Morality cannot be an absolute though and is not an end in itself. You could think that killing is wrong but euthanasia is ok. You might think that abortion is wrong but a child born suffering is equally wrong. Morality is a tool and a guide.

I'd like to think that our humanity does supersede all of our teaching, experiences and conditions of worth. It boils down to the kind of person you want to be.
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Our inherent humanity is our true human nature. Many will claim that what we express through our mind and the associated actions are, such as selfishness, greed and the desire for power, but they appear to be more the result of nurture. So we have the nature versus nurture argument. To determine what our true nature is, means to go back to a time before nurture had an effect, to the moment we were born. Our moment of independent existence. That first breath must have felt like a wind rising and falling that came out of nowhere. Motion out of stillness. Then we opened our eyes. All we could see was chaos, a kaleidoscope of colour with shape and motion but without form. We coordinated our other senses of touch and hearing, and forms took shape in the chaos. After a few weeks our brains worked out what our eyes were seeing was upside down and back to front, so our visual cortex flipped it round the right way. We see two dimensional images with each eye but the visual cortex combined them to form a three dimensional image that it projected into the world around us. That was nature. Reality (without concepts superimposed), consciousness and natural bliss. That was the feeling before conscious mind, thoughts and personality took over. We needed to learn to talk, walk and think for ourselves as we grew into adults but why did we have to abandon that feeling of natural bliss.

We probably spend the rest of our lives trying to recreate that feeling but follow our mind where that leads us which is just a temporary substitute, one after another.

That's nurture while our true nature remains hidden beneath the surface.
 
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Mercia Blackcat said:
Our inherent humanity is our true human nature. Many will claim that what we express through our mind and the associated actions are, such as selfishness, greed and the desire for power, but they appear to be more the result of nurture. So we have the nature versus nurture argument. To determine what our true nature is, means to go back to a time before nurture had an effect, to the moment we were born. Our moment of independent existence. That first breath must have felt like a wind rising and falling that came out of nowhere. Motion out of stillness. Then we opened our eyes. All we could see was chaos, a kaleidoscope of colour with shape and motion but without form. We coordinated our other senses of touch and hearing, and forms took shape in the chaos. After a few weeks our brains worked out what our eyes were seeing was upside down and back to front, so our visual cortex flipped it round the right way. We see two dimensional images with each eye but the visual cortex combined them to form a three dimensional image that it projected into the world around us. That was nature. Reality (without concepts superimposed), consciousness and natural bliss. That was the feeling before conscious mind, thoughts and personality took over. We needed to learn to talk, walk and think for ourselves as we grew into adults but why did we have to abandon that feeling of natural bliss.

We probably spend the rest of our lives trying to recreate that feeling but follow our mind where that leads us which is just a temporary substitute, one after another.

That's nurture while our true nature remains hidden beneath the surface.
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We really spend the rest of our lives trying to silence, edit or censor ourselves. You would think consciousness and identity are wonderful things yet we beat ourselves over the head with them, telling ourselves that we aren't good enough or clever enough or slim enough.

We do it as a species too. Human hands can't have built the pyramids, it must've been aliens! Then you think there's a little strip of New York, a city with the most expensive land on the planet, devoted to being a meeting place for all nations to come together, and allows do is slag it off.

The one unfailing human trait is putting ourselves down.
 
Ilios said:
More people have died in the activities and pronouncements of Christianity, than any other organisation in the history of the World. Do you think that is compatible with what you're saying?
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Yes I do, looking at things in the round, most definitely.
 
Lewberry pie said:
God is just a supernatural being not restricted by time etc

BTW by saying I claim to believe in God are you implying that I'm lying?
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If you state he exists outside of time, then it is a baseless and pointless assertion; there's nowhere you can go from there, because it is an illogical claim and unjustifiable.
 
Randy Ostrich said:
The law of the land of course is separate.

You can just as easily believe "it's wrong to steal" until you are homeless and stealing food, or nicking a pen from a bank because you don't have one on you and it writes nicely, or pinching 50p from your mrs because you need change for parking.
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Got nothing to do with the law, unless you believe the only reason not to steal is that you might end arrested if you're caught. That wouldn't surprise me given your second sentence. Though shall not steal unless you're really short that month.
 
Ilios said:
If you state he exists outside of time, then it is a baseless and pointless assertion; there's nowhere you can go from there, because it is an illogical claim and unjustifiable.
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A created God isn't, by definition, God.
 
PinzaC55 said:
Couldn't resist posting this meme. Class.
Biblical definition of marriage with references to the verses. :lol:

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Again pinz you're taking scripture out of context to fit am argument, for example the rape and his victim isn't right, just off the top of my head, they were forced to marry cause they'd been bucking, not cause he'd raped her. Try not to be so willing to accept everything you hear from evil bible. Com ;)
 
Kubicki's right boot said:
Got nothing to do with the law, unless you believe the only reason not to steal is that you might end arrested if you're caught. That wouldn't surprise me given your second sentence. Though shall not steal unless you're really short that month.
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So do you think it's OK to steal?

and - if not - why not?
 
Lewberry pie said:
Again pinz you're taking scripture out of context to fit am argument, for example the rape and his victim isn't right, just off the top of my head, they were forced to marry cause they'd been bucking, not cause he'd raped her. Try not to be so willing to accept everything you hear from evil bible. Com ;)
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You are a really disgusting and pathetic individual.
 
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