SYB_DC
Winger
The Iraq weapons fiasco was a politicization of intelligence gathering and analysis, not of scientific scholarship. Climate change and global warming is the same debate.
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The Iraq weapons fiasco was a politicization of intelligence gathering and analysis, not of scientific scholarship. Climate change and global warming is the same debate.
PinzaC55
Striker
The Journal of 911 studies ffs
Fuck off man.
You should have clicked on the third link, it turns out to be a complete dismantling of the "truther" position. Just ProfessionalMackem showing his scepticism and full reading of everything before he posts it as fact again.
The first link was in fact a systematic dismantling of Griffin and a demonstration that he was trying to shift the burden of proof.
This sort of nonsense (9/11 truthers) makes me despair for my species.
Occam's Razor
Striker
a) It isn't a peer reviewed journal, it doesn't even seem to be a journal of any kind, just a blog post and
b) It concludes...
Conspiracists, the evidence is before you, as it has been for years. Arguments from incredulity will never bolster your claims. You have a choice to make. You can draw conclusions by rationally reviewing all the available evidence, or you can continue making baseless, irresponsible, cruel accusations. Which will it be? Won’t it feel good to once again show respect for the people who would enter the maw of hell to save you? Do they deserve anything less? Consider this: if you were falsely accused of a serious crime, wouldn’t you insist that rumor, innuendo, and pandering to fear be rejected as evidence against you? If so, then hold yourselves to that standard and reject the fear-mongering and falsehoods of Alex Jones, Les Jamieson, Loose Change, Steven Jones, and others who disdain standards of evidence, expertise, and rational thought. These “Truth Movement” leaders have become what they say they are fighting against: people who lie for political reasons.
Do you ever actually read any content of the links you post on, you f***ing silly billy!
PinzaC55
Striker
Occam's Razor
Striker
There's no point in debating this with you. As soon as people say something like...
...then you know that it's pointless. Basically you've chosen to believe some lies put about by mischiefs because you so want the thing that those lies would mean to be true that you swallow them unquestioningly.
That's it, really.
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Deleted member 25315
Guest
No argument and no response about the senator's words -I'll take that as a victory, but well done you for complying with the Bush administration's wishes "Don't let the conspiracy theorists take the blame away from the terrorists" You're an imbecile!
Occam's Razor
Striker
Thanks, that means a lot.
Have you got any background on the senator and the evidence he's basing these words on?
I told you I didn't understand your question, due to its vagueness.
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay
Striker
This is a very fascinating and of course totally subjective question.
I'll have a go. It's like a big swirly thing with lots of stars, nebulae, dust and gas in it. Pretty much like the one we live in actually.
Of course there are others which look a bit different and have less free gas and dust in them too.
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay
Striker
And of course has nowt to do with a 9/11 conspiracy thread 
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kensplace
Guest
But can you dispute his points?
Why did the molten steel occur? When it should not have?
Why was the evidence illegally destroyed / removed instead of being treated like the crime scene it was?
Why did the authorities/investigations lie to the public? (including lies if I recall saying no witnesses heard any explosions etc).
News outlets, so called 'reputable' ones are biased in what they show, they are also not reputable in reality.
He also explained that he and others do not comment whilst in service if I recall.
He is no longer in service so is now commenting.
read the first bit then stopped, as the article makes a false assumption that the conspiracy theorists are talking about molten steel in photos/videos.
They to my knowledge (some idiots might be though) are not, they are refering to the molten pools of steel that were still molten long after the 9/11 attacks in the aftermath.
As far as I know, those pools of molten steel were witnessed by way to many people to be false, and they should not have been present from what I have read.
He never claimed it didnt happen, he just pointed out the term 'pulled' is not a term the fire department uses, which means nothing really as someone not working in the fire department is highly unlikely to use the same words they use, they would use what is in their head at the time.
Truthers dont refute in general, they ridicule and take official word as gospel.
No imagination, no willingness to look outside of the box and question if what you are told is true.
They dont feel that way though.
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Spenny
Striker
Temperatures in the fires that burned for weeks under the pile were measured at 2800 degrees by NYFDP. Steel often melts at 2500 degrees. It's really that simple.
cosmicchris00
Striker
Here it is again in its original non-vague format
What do you think another galaxy is like?
Ta
SYB_DC
Winger
1) If FD members aren't allowed to comment while in service, why was he quoted in the New York Times in December, 2001?
2) No, he claimed it didn't happen: https://sites.google.com/site/911guide/danielnigro
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay
Striker
You couldn't actually get any more vague than that, almost totally meaningless in its simplicity.
What is it about galaxies that you don't understand, or did my answer completely satisfy your curiosity?
All air crashes are bizarre and mystifying, until the investigation, often lasting months or even years, uncovers the mistake, or more often series of mistakes, that led to them.
I've given up with him. I asked him to be less vague yet he posted the exact same question.
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay
Striker
Tchuh! What's he like?
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