Could the Labour Party be a spent force?

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alzeebub said:
I grasp that UKIP have indeed found a 'gap in the market' and are actively pursuing the working-class vote however, once (if) they're in power of any kind then we'll see the Tory side coming out in force. I have no doubt of that whatsoever. Look at their last manifesto for a hint at what they're really like. Granted they've dismissed that manifesto as "junk" and are claiming that the new one will show them for who they really are (despite both being written by Tim Aker :lol:), but that doesn't change the fact that their public policies as of right now (2010 manifesto) are f***ing hideous and should scare the crap out of any liberal minded person.

Ps: I haven't called them 'naturally racist or xenophobic'.



My politics are very much left of centre. What choices do I have available to me at the mo? Other than Green, not much, so Green it is. I may not agree with absolutely everything that they stand for (I'm pro nuke power) but they're the closest ideologically to my views.
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Tim Aker was only 24 years old when that last manifesto was wrote and had no position in the party back then, I'm pretty sure he didn't write it.

But on the other thing- Labour's 1983 manifesto for example, would probably scare a lot of voters. Its history, UKIP officially disowned a while ago and those items on it are not policy anymore.
 


MrOompapa said:
Tim Aker was only 24 years old when that last manifesto was wrote and had no position in the party back then, I'm pretty sure he didn't write it.

But on the other thing- Labour's 1983 manifesto for example, would probably scare a lot of voters. Its history, UKIP officially disowned a while ago and those items on it are not policy anymore.
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You are not allowed to change mate. Once you've decided there is no going back.
 
Pete Bog said:
Given that the devolution of more powers to the Scots may involve Scottish MP's agreeing to forgoing their vote on English issues in Westminster see a reduction in the powers of the Labour Party, as Labour rely heavily on Scottish Labour MP's to carry their side of the vote?

Moreover, the Labour Party are advocating that equal powers To those of the Scots for the English, Welsh and Northern Irish should not be considered until after the next General election.

Who the fuck is going to vote for them?
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I was thinking this on Sunday over a nice meat platter. Surely there are going to be more SNP MPs now and more SNP votes, all taken from Labour.
 
MrOompapa said:
Tim Aker was only 24 years old when that last manifesto was wrote and had no position in the party back then, I'm pretty sure he didn't write it.

But on the other thing- Labour's 1983 manifesto for example, would probably scare a lot of voters. Its history, UKIP officially disowned a while ago and those items on it are not policy anymore.
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He didn't write it alone but he was part of the group who did.

Brexit said:
You are not allowed to change mate. Once you've decided there is no going back.
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Should I carry on waiting for you to respond to the post I quoted you in, or can't you do as requested?
 
alzeebub said:
I grasp that UKIP have indeed found a 'gap in the market' and are actively pursuing the working-class vote however, once (if) they're in power of any kind then we'll see the Tory side coming out in force. I have no doubt of that whatsoever. Look at their last manifesto for a hint at what they're really like. Granted they've dismissed that manifesto as "junk" and are claiming that the new one will show them for who they really are (despite both being written by Tim Aker :lol:), but that doesn't change the fact that their public policies as of right now (2010 manifesto) are f***ing hideous and should scare the crap out of any liberal minded person.

Ps: I haven't called them 'naturally racist or xenophobic'.



My politics are very much left of centre. What choices do I have available to me at the mo? Other than Green, not much, so Green it is. I may not agree with absolutely everything that they stand for (I'm pro nuke power) but they're the closest ideologically to my views.
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Thank you for answering my question. I was brought up in Murton (Son of a pitman) where Manny Shinwell was God and deserved the accolade in that era. One could rely upon Labour to at least fight for the working class. Nowadays the lines drawn between Parties are very blurred and I'm struggling to find a difference. The party that offers the most change from this mire of confusion that we are in is UKIP, hence my decision. They have certainly got the main two worried!
 
MrOompapa said:
Tim Aker was only 24 years old when that last manifesto was wrote and had no position in the party back then, I'm pretty sure he didn't write it.

But on the other thing- Labour's 1983 manifesto for example, would probably scare a lot of voters. Its history, UKIP officially disowned a while ago and those items on it are not policy anymore.
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Tim Aker is a thoroughly nice Bloke.
 
alzeebub said:
He's another rich lad who's utterly out of touch with the working man, just like the vast majority of UKIP politicians.



As I figured, you're not up to the job.
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Are you actually saying lack of money should be a prerequisite to be an MP? (Or MEP in his case?) Bit of a bold statement that mate!

redandwhiterob said:
Ukip will never be the party of the working class. I dread to think what 'red tape' they would slash if they got power
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Who ever gets in needs to slash "red tape" mate its out of hand even the job i do its ridiculous.
 
alzeebub said:
He's another rich lad who's utterly out of touch with the working man, just like the vast majority of UKIP politicians.

As I figured, you're not up to the job.
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Having met the vast majority of UKIP's MEP's I could not highlight a more ludicrous accusation from you. Here's a snip of what some of them done:

Arnott was a maths teacher
Amjad Bashir was a Pakistani immigrant who ran his own restaraunt
Coburn was a university dropout and art dealer
Nuttall was a history lecturer
Nathan Gill ran his own business
Diane James was in healthcare

Also I know Aker personally, you don't.

"rich and touch of touch" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Wierd Valley Mackem said:
Are you actually saying lack of money should be a prerequisite to be an MP? (Or MEP in his case?) Bit of a bold statement that mate!
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Where did I say that? That's right, nowhere.

Politics supposedly represents all the peoples of this country. Where are the working-class politicians? How can a prty represent a people who it isn't in touch with? That's right, it can't.
 
More tax on tabs!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/22/ed-miliband-speech-tax-tobacco-nhs-labour-conference

'Labour is likely to counter that the firms have a duty to help the NHS because of the link between cancer and tobacco. Estimates for the amount spent on tobacco in the UK in 2011 range from £15.3bn to £18.3bn. The cost of smoking to the NHS is put at between £2.7bn and £5.2bn.
The Treasury earned £9.5bn in revenue from tobacco duties in the financial year 2011-12.'

Are they complete idiots?
 
MrOompapa said:
Having met the vast majority of UKIP's MEP's I could not highlight a more ludicrous accusation from you.

Arnott was a maths teacher
Amjad Bashir was a Pakistani immigrant who ran his own restaraunt
Coburn was a university dropout and art dealer
Nuttall was a history lecturer

Also I know Aker personally, you don't.

"rich and touch of touch" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Aker is a local lad to me, he's well known around here. Born and raised in Orsett, which is a very wealthy area. Know all that did you? No, I bet you didnt. Shows how well you 'know Aker personally'.

He, like the vast majority of UKIP politicians, are as out of touch with the working-class man as it's possible to be. That's a fact.
 
alzeebub said:
Aker is a local lad to me, he's well known around here. Born and raised in Orsett, which is a very wealthy area. Know all that did you? No, I bet you didnt. Shows how well you 'know Aker personally'.

He, like the vast majority of UKIP politicians, are as out of touch with the working-class man as it's possible to be. That's a fact.
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You just dodged the massive list I gave you of UKIP MEP's who came from quite ordinary backgrounds :lol: :lol:

You have absolutely no proof on this. Consisting UKIP's largest representation right now is on local councils (370+ councillors), local councils consisting of local people, highlights how silly your accusation is.
 
I just wish the Green Party would do something to get themselves taken seriously. The problem is they don't prey on people's fears.
 
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