Ched Evans to train with Sheffield United

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Imo he should be allowed to train, play and get on with his career again. He has done the time given to him and imo the case against him was a bit shaky and from what I have seen could have come to a different verdict on a different day. But thats just from the bits and pieces ive seen and read and I havent looked into it all completely. I don't understand why theres such a massive uproar about this in comparison to Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick. McCormcik especially as he killed two kids drunk driving. They both play now and what went on in their past is never brought up and when they came back I can't remember that much being said at all.

I did see that the Evans case has been fast tracked to the top of the list for investigation into if in this case there was a miscarridge of justice so it would be interesting to see what happens if his guilty verdict is found to have been incorrect or whatever else they want to call it.

If he were a mechanic, shop worker or any other normal job no one would be saying anything. His career is as a footballer and no matter if I believe he was guilty or not he has done the time and the point of prison is to rehabilitate we are told so he should be allowed to get back to his career without all this media bullshit following him around.
 


JAR7391 said:
Imo he should be allowed to train, play and get on with his career again. He has done the time given to him and imo the case against him was a bit shaky and from what I have seen could have come to a different verdict on a different day. But thats just from the bits and pieces ive seen and read and I havent looked into it all completely. I don't understand why theres such a massive uproar about this in comparison to Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick. McCormcik especially as he killed two kids drunk driving. They both play now and what went on in their past is never brought up and when they came back I can't remember that much being said at all.

I did see that the Evans case has been fast tracked to the top of the list for investigation into if in this case there was a miscarridge of justice so it would be interesting to see what happens if his guilty verdict is found to have been incorrect or whatever else they want to call it.

If he were a mechanic, shop worker or any other normal job no one would be saying anything. His career is as a footballer and no matter if I believe he was guilty or not he has done the time and the point of prison is to rehabilitate we are told so he should be allowed to get back to his career without all this media bullshit following him around.
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I respect your right to an opinion but there's not one single part of your argument that makes me believe that a convicted rapist should be welcomed back to a once-proud football club that purports to represent its local community. He's welcome to rehabilitate back into society and I've got some shit that needs shovelling that he can start off with.

Anyhow, common sense has prevailed and Sheff U have belatedly told him to steer clear. I hope he f***s off back under a stone.
 
the sleeping giant said:
I respect your right to an opinion but there's not one single part of your argument that makes me believe that a convicted rapist should be welcomed back to a once-proud football club that purports to represent its local community. He's welcome to rehabilitate back into society and I've got some shit that needs shovelling that he can start off with.

Anyhow, common sense has prevailed and Sheff U have belatedly told him to steer clear. I hope he f***s off back under a stone.
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Hope the stone tells him to fuck off as well
 
the sleeping giant said:
I respect your right to an opinion but there's not one single part of your argument that makes me believe that a convicted rapist should be welcomed back to a once-proud football club that purports to represent its local community. He's welcome to rehabilitate back into society and I've got some shit that needs shovelling that he can start off with.

Anyhow, common sense has prevailed and Sheff U have belatedly told him to steer clear. I hope he f***s off back under a stone.
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Do football clubs really represent their local communities anymore?

My opinion is that it's the job for the criminal justice system, not a football club, to determine what justice looks like
 
chunkylover53 said:
Do football clubs really represent their local communities anymore?

My opinion is that it's the job for the criminal justice system, not a football club, to determine what justice looks like
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They say they do... Certainly in Sheff Utds case.

I'm not asking them to administer justice, simply to show some appropriate discretion in who they pay to represent them.

I can say only this... If he came to Sunderland I would not be a Sunderland supporter any longer. I simply couldn't stomach having a man convicted of a violent and sinister sex crime playing for my football team and hometown club.
 
the sleeping giant said:
They say they do... Certainly in Sheff Utds case.

I'm not asking them to administer justice, simply to show some appropriate discretion in who they pay to represent them.

I can say only this... If he came to Sunderland I would not be a Sunderland supporter any longer. I simply couldn't stomach having a man convicted of a violent and sinister sex crime playing for my football team and hometown club.
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What did you think of Di Canio joining out of interest?

I don't think many football clubs represent the area anymore, if pushed I could say 1-2 of our players remotely represent the people.

I accept all of your points btw.
 
Apparently in 30% of cases the legal professionals disagree with the jury verdict. He may well be guilty of course but someone being convicted is not the same as saying they definitely did it. Someone I know was on a jury recently and they found the defendant not guilty and the judge made it pretty clear he was pissed off with their verdict.

He served his time so he should be allowed to be able to make a living
 
chunkylover53 said:
Do football clubs really represent their local communities anymore?

My opinion is that it's the job for the criminal justice system, not a football club, to determine what justice looks like
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The criminal justice system has no sway over anyone being told to do one, by a previous employer. There are some jobs that convicted sex offenders aren't allowed to return to by law, but the law can't really force an employer to take on anyone if they don't want to. In this case, public opinion has played a part in that decision.
 
JAR7391 said:
Imo he should be allowed to train, play and get on with his career again. He has done the time given to him and imo the case against him was a bit shaky and from what I have seen could have come to a different verdict on a different day. But thats just from the bits and pieces ive seen and read and I havent looked into it all completely. I don't understand why theres such a massive uproar about this in comparison to Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick. McCormcik especially as he killed two kids drunk driving. They both play now and what went on in their past is never brought up and when they came back I can't remember that much being said at all.

I did see that the Evans case has been fast tracked to the top of the list for investigation into if in this case there was a miscarridge of justice so it would be interesting to see what happens if his guilty verdict is found to have been incorrect or whatever else they want to call it.

If he were a mechanic, shop worker or any other normal job no one would be saying anything. His career is as a footballer and no matter if I believe he was guilty or not he has done the time and the point of prison is to rehabilitate we are told so he should be allowed to get back to his career without all this media bullshit following him around.
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The sticking point for me is the word 'rehabilitate'. However, he does not accept that he did anything wrong, so he has not been rehabilitated and could quite easily go on and reoffend.

The Court Report I read was that there was substantial evidence to show that the girl was totally incapacitated through alcohol and his defence was that it was consensual sex because she never said 'no'. The prosecution successfully argued that 'consensual' means agreeing, however the girl was incapable so therefore did not agree and therefore she was raped. If that is all correct, then I'm in the camp that says you've blown it son now go and try and earn a living like the rest of us .... scumbag!
 
Dougal said:
The Court Report I read was that there was substantial evidence to show that the girl was totally incapacitated through alcohol and his defence was that it was consensual sex because she never said 'no'. The prosecution successfully argued that 'consensual' means agreeing, however the girl was incapable so therefore did not agree and therefore she was raped. If that is all correct, then I'm in the camp that says you've blown it son now go and try and earn a living like the rest of us .... scumbag!
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I can understand your point if thats the evidence and the excuses that were given. However the only thing I would say is that i'm sure theres many people, myself included who have taken a lass home on a night out and she never actually said yes, it just kind of was understood what was happening and I could remember very little the next day. I mean is it just her word that she was incapable of making the decision in the room? Is there a video or something showing that she wasnt capable of knowing what was going on. If there is then fair enough but if not then it would seem that what we have is a word against word situation where Evans may have thought her not saying no was like a mutual thing that they both wanted to happen. I mean it's not like you stop half way and actually say to the lass "can we have sex?" if you know what i'm saying. Obviously if he has noticecd she has passed out or something then I would say thats obviously rape but it would be interesting to know what evidence there was to prove that she had know idea what she was doing and so couldnt make a decision. Wasnt there a video of her walking into the hotel with a pizza or something like that?
 
East Riding Mackem said:
Apparently in 30% of cases the legal professionals disagree with the jury verdict. He may well be guilty of course but someone being convicted is not the same as saying they definitely did it. Someone I know was on a jury recently and they found the defendant not guilty and the judge made it pretty clear he was pissed off with their verdict.

He served his time so he should be allowed to be able to make a living
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He hasn't like. He's been released early.

No ones saying he can't make a living. Just not this one I'm afraid.
 
JAR7391 said:
I can understand your point if thats the evidence and the excuses that were given. However the only thing I would say is that i'm sure theres many people, myself included who have taken a lass home on a night out and she never actually said yes, it just kind of was understood what was happening and I could remember very little the next day. I mean is it just her word that she was incapable of making the decision in the room? Is there a video or something showing that she wasnt capable of knowing what was going on. If there is then fair enough but if not then it would seem that what we have is a word against word situation where Evans may have thought her not saying no was like a mutual thing that they both wanted to happen. I mean it's not like you stop half way and actually say to the lass "can we have sex?" if you know what i'm saying. Obviously if he has noticecd she has passed out or something then I would say thats obviously rape but it would be interesting to know what evidence there was to prove that she had know idea what she was doing and so couldnt make a decision. Wasnt there a video of her walking into the hotel with a pizza or something like that?
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Taking a girl back with you is one thing. Letting yourself into her locked room when she's in bed & naked is something else.
 
He does have a right to a football career but Sheffield Utd have every right to tell him to do one and patrons/fans/media/sponsors have every right to be unhappy with a sex offender joining the club.

Right decision, he can find employment but not in football.
 
He doesn't have a right to a football career any more than Gary Glitter has the right to a pop career.

Just because the State won't prevent him working if he can find an employer doesn't mean anyone has to give him work or that's it's in any way unlawful or immoral for employers, fans or commentators to believe it would be inappropriate whilst he is an unrepentant convicted rapist.

SAFC don't have to make the SoL available to Gary Glitter for gigs even though 'he has served his time' and this board would go mental if it did.

But that's exactly the same logic being shown by those that claim that a SUFC or any other club 'should let Ched Evans' train' or that it's 'political correctness gone mad' to criticise them if they do.
 
I have asked this before, but in the unlikely event he wins the appeal, can he sue for loss of earnings?
 
Kauto Star said:
I have asked this before, but in the unlikely event he wins the appeal, can he sue for loss of earnings?
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This is the interesting thing, I still find the whole story around his arrest and prosecution slightly dodgy BUT that does not mean he is innocent. If he wins his appeal I'll have an element of sympathy for him BUT he shouldn't have put himself in that situation. It sounded a bit like "I'm a footballer, I can do what I like".
 
Kauto Star said:
I have asked this before, but in the unlikely event he wins the appeal, can he sue for loss of earnings?
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He already lost his appeal,after the conviction.

The criminal cases review tribunal is basically a back stop body for historic miscarriages of justice brought into existence after the Birmingham Six. It's been most active in overturning bent copper and dodgy expert witness based convictions. Also if new evidence comes to light that exonerates someone (like DNA etc.).

None of that seems to me to apply here. They will hear it because of the public interest the case has generated, but it looks like a long shot to me.
 
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