Lord's Prayer Banned From Cinemas.

[John Steed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

In Ireland, the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse issued a report which covered six decades (from the 1950s) and noted "endemic" sexual abuse in Catholic boys' institutions, with church leaders aware of what was going on and government inspectors failing to "stop beatings, rapes and humiliation."[21] The commission's report on church abuse ran to five volumes

Caught something on the news today about child sexual abuse, with they reckon around 85% of abuse not being reported. Disturbingly it seems to have been endemic in all walks of life.

 

[Deleted User 11453]

You can pray just to talk to God about your problems, you don't have to need anything, there's no rules about it which I suspect is the point of the advert.

OK thanks. Does he ever reply?

 

[John Steed]

The nonces were shipped off abroad to do missionary work weren't they?

They should have had their balls cut off.

 

[Lewberry pie]

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How can prayer be anything other than selfish? In what way does it benefit others?

God, please help me to show hellsbells that praying might be good for her, help her to understand this prayer is for her and I want her to feel better about life, help her to use you when she feels lost and alone with no one to turn to.
Amen

 

[Deleted User 11453]

God, please help me to show hellsbells that praying might be good for her, help her to understand this prayer is for her and I want her to feel better about life, help her to use you when she feels lost and alone with no one to turn to.
Amen

Do these prayers always come true? If not then s/he will be wasting their time.

 

[Lewberry pie]

OK thanks. Does he ever reply?

No, in much the same way talking to a friend about your dying relative doesn't save them, but it is cathartic and helps to feel like a problem halved.

 

[HellsBells]

God, please help me to show hellsbells that praying might be good for her, help her to understand this prayer is for her and I want her to feel better about life, help her to use you when she feels lost and alone with no one to turn to.
Amen

It's not worked. If you want me to feel better about life, how about you come and meet me and have a chat instead and make me feel less lonely? That might make me feel better.

No, in much the same way talking to a friend about your dying relative doesn't save them, but it is cathartic and helps to feel like a problem halved.

So it helps you, but no one else?

I'd like the church to be a be more open minded, if I'm honest.

 

[Lewberry pie]

Do these prayers always come true? If not then s/he will be wasting their time.

Some people seem to think prayers are magic beans, I dunno why anyone would think that.

 

[PinzaC55]

https://bible.org/seriespage/3-visit-wise-men-matthew-21-12

http://www.gotquestions.org/three-wise-men.html

"Question: "What does the Bible say about the three wise men (Magi)?"

Answer: We assume that there were three wise men because of the three gifts that were given: gold, incense, and myrrh (Matthew 2:11). However, the Bible does not say there were only three wise men. There could have been many more. Tradition says that there were three and that their names were Gaspar, Melchior, and Balthasar, but since the Bible does not say, we have no way of knowing whether the tradition is accurate.

Pleased to add to your knowledge

 

[Lewberry pie]

It's not worked. If you want me to feel better about life, how about you come and meet me and have a chat instead and make me feel less lonely? That might make me feel better.


So it helps you, but no one else?

I'd like the church to be a be more open minded, if I'm honest.

Well now I've said that prayer I will, but without that moment where I've said the prayer I wouldn't have given you a second thought, the real power of prayer in action

If you want a date Helen you could've just asked

 

[HellsBells]

Well now I've said that prayer I will, but without that moment where I've said the prayer I wouldn't have given you a second thought, the real power of prayer in action

If you want a date Helen you could've just asked

 

[PinzaC55]

No, in much the same way talking to a friend about your dying relative doesn't save them, but it is cathartic and helps to feel like a problem halved.

So it is a security blanket ? Why not be an adult and deal with life on life's terms.

 

[Randy Ostrich]

OK thanks. Does he ever reply?

It'll cost you 1.99 a minute to find out

"Your prayer is really important and will be answered shortly ['all things wise and wonderful'...]

Do these prayers always come true?

I prayed right before Steve Harrison had Mike Kasprowicz caught behind at Edgbaston to win the Test in 2005.

So my scientific sample of 1 came true 100% of the time

 

[JJH]

No idea. I have pointed out to various posters here that they shouldn't make up percentages and I don't intend to do that myself. I am off for a pint(s) now but will read your further thoughts on my phone if god lets my worthless self get a signal on my phone.

Enjoy your pint mate while you can pal, cos when we are under Islam rule you will be praying to Jesus when they cut off your head

I can't see how anyone of a sound mind cannot seriously consider it

Tidied for you sir

So it is a security blanket ? Why not be an adult and deal with life on life's terms.

Like I said here comes the bravado

 

[Ilios]

Enjoy your pint mate while you can pal, cos when we are under Islam rule you will be praying to Jesus when they cut off your head


Tidied for you sir


Like I said here comes the bravado

 

[the flying graysons]

The prayer is contained in the Sermon on the Mount as an example of how to pray sincerely rather than with any boasting and repetition. Whether it was ever meant to be memorised for recital is another issue. However, when compared to his teachings in general:

Our Father who art in heaven

Jesus said that the Kingdom of Heaven was within
As he states the Father is in Heaven then the Father must be within
So he identifies the father or source of virtue as within

hallowed be thy name.

Jesus revealed the source of virtue through Baptism with Spirit
He performed this by breathing on them individually
This allowed them to synchronise their breath with his
Spirit means breath so this method was to reveal the Holy Breath within
The exact same method is also called Holy Name in some disciplines
Hence, the expression Hallowed be thy Name.

Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.

May the revealed source of virtue within
Guide me in my actions in this word

Give us this day our daily bread,

I don't think he means fish sandwiches
He is referring to the food of heaven within
The direct experience of the Holy Breath/Holy Name

and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,

Jesus taught mindfulness of the present
This facilitates the experience of the Holy Breath
You only breathe in the present
This why he said not to hold grudges from the past
We also need to not feel guilt from the past
That would also make mindfulness harder
So he is teaching surrender to the source of virtue within

and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

He clearly identified the source of temptation as the mind
That actions which will take you away from mindfulness begin in the mind
That those thought and actions can lead us to evil

I don't understand the fuss about this prayer when it is taken in the context of his teachings rather than any concepts of the mind.
It is a prayer than is meaningful to anyone, whatever their beliefs or non beliefs. We are all human beings and we all have humanity within us.
Therefore, the source of virtue is within everyone and can be made manifest in the world if we resist the distraction of the mind.
It's a prayer to listen and surrender to the 'heart' rather than the mind.
And we could sure do with some of that today in this world.

You are all individuals.

Like I said here comes the bravado

What has bravado got to do with it ?
I have literally weeks to live. I am terrified and don't want to die. Not brave at all. Does not mean I am about to believe a bronze age creation myth created to foster social cohesion though.

Some people seem to think prayers are magic beans, I dunno why anyone would think that.

What are they then ?

 

[JJH]

You are all individuals.


What has bravado got to do with it ?
I have literally weeks to live. I am terrified and don't want to die. Not brave at all. Does not mean I am about to believe a bronze age creation myth created to foster social cohesion though.


What are they then ?

It's purely down to the individual mate and I've seen my fair share of dying people convert towards the end whether thru some kind of divineness only they witness or simply being terrified.
Who knows the truth but I suspect it isn't the church or the boffins with their Big Bang theory.

 

[Dogbark]

It's purely down to the individual mate and I've seen my fair share of dying people convert towards the end whether thru some kind of divineness only they witness or simply being terrified.
Who knows the truth but I suspect it isn't the church or the boffins with their Big Bang theory.

The weak minded are easily turned.

 

[PinzaC55]

Enjoy your pint mate while you can pal, cos when we are under Islam rule you will be praying to Jesus when they cut off your head

Like I said here comes the bravado

I try to talk sensibly to you people but you really are hard work sometimes. Muslims account for less than 4% of the UK population and the history of the UK shows that, like the Vikings, the Normans and the Romans they will eventually be absorbed into the culture and lose their own culture and religion. That is the way things have always happened here. Stop being frightened by things the right wing media tell you.

"Like I said here comes the bravado".

It's not bravado. At some point in your life (I hope) you stopped believing in Santa Claus but it sounds as though you are clinging to the idea that an invisible man in the sky is looking out for you. It's nonsense. My dad and my sister died within 4 months of each other 15 years ago but they are not sitting up in the clouds waiting for me to join them. They don't exist any more. It's awful but true and denying the fact is weak and childish.

 

[Lewberry pie]

You are all individuals.


What has bravado got to do with it ?
I have literally weeks to live. I am terrified and don't want to die. Not brave at all. Does not mean I am about to believe a bronze age creation myth created to foster social cohesion though.


What are they then ?

Beans beans they're good for your heart the more you eat the more you fart

So it is a security blanket ? Why not be an adult and deal with life on life's terms.

Do you beleive people who need to talk to a friend as weak minded? Or perhaps there strong enough to share their problems with someone they trust and accept they'll gain strength through support, instead of 'being adult'