Lord's Prayer Banned From Cinemas.

[John Steed]

Not just the Muslims then?

When have I ever said only Muslims abuse their kids. Your constant attempts to be a message board smart arse lost their funny side years ago. Try some new material.

 

[JJH]

Of course Islam will wither, as all religions before it have withered. There have been 10,000 gods through human history and they are all pretty much gone except for a handful. You probably think the Hindu god with the elephant trunk and six arms is stupid and Hindus probably think yours is stupid.
The Roman Empire , British Empire, Thor , Zeus and the Soviet Union are all history. One day Islam and your own religion will follow suit.

They might indeed wither in a thousand years time, however during that time Islam could well have changed Britain and your way of life dramatically....or maybe they won't .
Who cares ?

 

[John Steed]

And after telling me that I bore you and to piss off, you can't resist coming back for another comment. I throw the bait, you bite.

Did I say I wasn't going to repy to any more of your stupidity? You clearly don't understand what piss off means and are still talking bollocks so I reserve the right to reply.

19% according to the Sun

You got past page 3?

 

[JJH]

I've never believed in any god at any point in my life. As a little kid I thought it sounded like bollocks and when I realised that Santa Claus wasn't real I realised why religion was a load of bollocks.

However you are forgetting all those years of excitement and happiness believing in Santa Claus, surely that is a reason to believe in a god and take pleasure from what might be ?
Open your mind mate , just cos you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I'm off to kip ...up early for work.....will say me prayers first tho

 

[Mercia Blackcat]

I thought praying was asking a higher power for help. Meditation is contemplating a problem.

They might have well said "Just brainstorm" ; it'll provide more solutions than asking a deity for help to problems.

Meditation is not contemplation which would appear to involve using the mind to contemplate something. That's still just thinking.

Meditation is what follows concentration on a method that has resulted in the mind being neutralised and made silent.

 

[PinzaC55]

Did I say I wasn't going to repy to any more of your stupidity? You clearly don't understand what piss off means and are still talking bollocks so I reserve the right to reply.

You got past page 3?

If it helps you to swear at me marra, go ahead and get it off your chest.

 

[---Nemo---]

What has bravado got to do with it ?
I have literally weeks to live. I am terrified and don't want to die. Not brave at all. Does not mean I am about to believe a bronze age creation myth created to foster social cohesion though.

Don't sell yourself short mate, you've shown tremendous courage and great dignity.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

You have persuaded yourself that the Judeo christian god exists, or possibly you have been persuaded by your parents that it exists. So you pray to it or , as many would say, talk to yourself. That gives you comfort. Good for you. If you ask me to honestly say what I think I will reply that you are weak minded for believing this. There's no other way to tell you. If you were a 6 year old kid asking if grandma had gone to heaven I may well "yes grandma is with the angels" because kids find death a hard concept to grasp.

Wasting your time mate. The beliefs of such people are not based on any sort of reason or rational thought. Therefore reasonable and rational arguments like the one you are using is ignored and, ultimately, lost on them.

Away with the fairies, literally.

 

[John Steed]

If it helps you to swear at me marra, go ahead and get it off your chest.

Fuck off.

 

[PinzaC55]

Wasting your time mate. The beliefs of such people are not based on any sort of reason or rational thought. Therefore reasonable and rational arguments like the one you are using is ignored and, ultimately, lost on them.

Away with the fairies, literally.

I know. I have said before that nothing said here by anyone amounts to anything. It's just mildly interesting.

Fuck off.

No thanks.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

What has bravado got to do with it ?
I have literally weeks to live. I am terrified and don't want to die. Not brave at all. Does not mean I am about to believe a bronze age creation myth created to foster social cohesion though.

Saddened and stunned to hear this news. I hope you don't suffer physically

 

[PinzaC55]

However you are forgetting all those years of excitement and happiness believing in Santa Claus, surely that is a reason to believe in a god and take pleasure from what might be ?
Open your mind mate , just cos you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I'm off to kip ...up early for work.....will say me prayers first tho

Pleasure and excitement in believing in something which doesn't exist is fruitless unless you acknowledge that it doesn't exist. People can gain pleasure and excitement from Star Wars but if they believe it is real they are loopy.

 

[Ilios]

1. However you are forgetting all those years of excitement and happiness believing in Santa Claus, surely that is a reason to believe in a god and take pleasure from what might be ?
2. Open your mind mate , just cos you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I'm off to kip ...up early for work.....3. will say me prayers first tho

1. 'Choosing' to try and believe something (as nobody 'chooses' genuine belief - you're either convinced of a position or not) because you like the idea of it, is wish thinking - attempting to 'will it' in to being true.

2. It is has nothing to do with 'sight', rather logic. The Judeo-Christian god as described in the Bible, cannot exist - it is a self-contradicting proposition (for many reasons, which I can point out if you wish)

3. By all means do - it'll achieve nothing outside of your own head.
How does God officiate prayer? Is it like parliament, whereby if he receives more than 10,000 prayers on a given subject, he has to at least acknowledge it? If you ascribe to an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, unchanging God of scripture, then praying really is obscenely nonsensical.

An all-knowing God is fully aware of all events past, present and future, including who will pray for what. Is he going to change his eternal plans on the Narcissistic arrogance of 1 man's request? This would be blasphemy, surely? Advising God that his plans are sub-par, and that he should change them. Surely, by even reacting to prayer God is accepting that he, a perfect being, created a faulty plan in the 1st place; the flaws of which had to be highlighted to him by beings of lesser intelligence that he created, knowing they'd ask him to do so - theological obscelescence

 

[---Nemo---]

Wasting your time mate. The beliefs of such people are not based on any sort of reason or rational thought. Therefore reasonable and rational arguments like the one you are using is ignored and, ultimately, lost on them.

Away with the fairies, literally.

You're an arrogant sod. Descartes, Leibniz and Kant were all rational beings who argued for the existence of God, albeit Kant was considered to be a "secular" proponent of the idea who consistently argued against traditional "proofs". In the realm of pure reasoning the arguments are rattling on to this day. Like Hume I'm in the camp that wonders what would actually count as proof either way.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

You're an arrogant sod. Descartes, Leibniz and Kant were all rational beings who argued for the existence of God, albeit Kant was considered to be a "secular" proponent of the idea who consistently argued against traditional "proofs". In the realm of pure reasoning the arguments are rattling on to this day. Like Hume I'm in the camp that wonders what would actually count as proof either way.

They all lived many moons ago though, didn't they? At least 100 years before Darwin. It was the norm back then to believe in God. We've come a long way since then in terms of our understanding of the world.

We now have perfectly reasonable explanations for observations that would be seen as magical and god-like to your three learned gentlemen.

In this day and age it is irrational to believe in an invisible all-powerful designer, protector and authority when there is not a single shred of evidence to back it up. The believers believe simply because an elder (usually a parent, often a preacher, sometimes from a book) has suggested to them the belief system. Religious belief systems are inherited not constantly created anew.

It is akin to believing any old bollocks that you or I make up in a short story of fantasy. No evidence is required. Without any evidence the fact that a large number of people believe something is true has absolutely no bearing on whether it is actually true. No matter how much they want it to be.

I don't regard those views to be arrogant. I feel like I have provided a structured argument that stands up to analysis.

I like your last point. What would count as proof. Surely an all-powerful God could easily reassure his 21stC flock in any way he sees appropriate. He could convince doubters and non-believers in an instant by announcing some miraculous sign in advance. A snowman with a Sunderland scarf in the garden of every house in the country, perhaps. He never seems interested though. Perhaps he's busy supervising famines, earthquakes and wars....?

 

[Funtboy]

I have never, in all my years going to the cinema, ever heard the Lord's Prayer. Not once. WTF is this story about?

 

[Kent_Mackem]

Open your mind mate , just cos you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Of course that's true but it's not really an argument is it? I mean,why stop at God? If we don't need evidence then we can make anything up and insist it's true because it comforts us.

Nobody's saying "don't believe in God". That's entirely up to the believer. In discussions such as this an atheist (which by the way is the default position - all babies in every country in the world are atheists) is only pointing out how daft it is to believe in something delusional. If there was no such thing as religion and you'd remained an atheist you would think I was completely bonkers if I presented modern day religious beliefs to you. You could quite fairly challenge me to provide evidence, just as if I claimed today that I was in fact Superman and I could fly.

Out of interest, if I did tell you I was Superman and could fly, would you believe me?

Assuming you'd answer no, would you change your answer if it was written in The Bible that I was Superman and I could fly?

 

[the flying graysons]

(which by the way is the default position - all babies in every country in the world are atheists)

What evidence do you have to support this assertion?
All theories that I have seen suggest there is a genetic component to belief.

 

[Lewberry pie]

That was why I was asking @Lewberry pie how prays worked.
Which religon do you think are right ? I know Southpark reckon it is the Mormons like.

Well I don't think praying will physically save anyone unfortunately.

You have persuaded yourself that the Judeo christian god doesn't exist, or possibly you have been persuaded by your parents that it doeasnt exist So you don't pray to it or , as many would say, talk to God. That gives you comfort. Good for you. If you ask me to honestly say what I think I will reply that you are weak minded for not believing this. There's no other way to tell you. If you were a 6 year old kid asking if grandma had gone to heaven I may well "no grandma is not with the angels" because kids find death a hard concept to grasp.

When you decide what the other persons mind is, and frame them into what you're comfortable with them life is very easy, if you ever wanted to leave your comfortable perspective you'd probably be surprised at how weak minded you actually are.

 

[Narraback]

You're an arrogant sod. Descartes, Leibniz and Kant were all rational beings who argued for the existence of God, albeit Kant was considered to be a "secular" proponent of the idea who consistently argued against traditional "proofs". In the realm of pure reasoning the arguments are rattling on to this day. Like Hume I'm in the camp that wonders what would actually count as proof either way.

Arrogance? What is more arrogant is believing something which has absolutely no evidence, yet still forcing that belief on our offspring.

The Vatican has recently decreed that the evidence for evolution is compelling, yet the Catholics still believe we have a soul. Does this mean dead Catholics will be sharing heaven with all our ancestors, like ramapithecus, homo habilis etc.? What a bizarre place it must be.

Also, if evolution by natural selection is 'blind', which it is, how did God create us in his image?