Chuka loves Corbyn

[Tatty]

Chuka, the man who didn't realise that there might be some press intrusion in his life when he went for the
Labour leadership.

To be fair, it was the intrusion on the lives of his family that he didn't expect - he understood that intrusion into his life was fair game.

That's what he said, anyway.

I wonder , does anyone, anywhere, think Mr. Corbyn will ever be PM ?

If he can inspire people to pay to sign up and vote for him, then why not? If only we had a recent, real life example of how an anti-austerity party performed in general election...

 

[Boris Bear]

I wonder , does anyone, anywhere, think Mr. Corbyn will ever be PM ?

Right after Ed Miliband and before Nigel Farage

 

[Tatty]

That Chuka man, he thinks he's down with the kids

Everything I hear here say sounds like a soundbite, completely insincere.

 

[tiptoad]

I wonder , does anyone, anywhere, think Mr. Corbyn will ever be PM ?

I don't think Corbyn does, and I expect he'll stand down or be stabbed in the back before the next election. But I'm looking forward to a couple of years or so of him getting stuck into Cameron at PMQs, rather than someone like Yvette Cooper kissing his arse.

Meanwhile, if he reminds older Labour members and a generation of new ones that core party beliefs, such as state ownership of the railways, shouldn't be howled down as lunacy by Tories on the opposite bench and in the Labour party, then he's been worth my vote.

For what it's worth, Cameron is standing down before the next General Election, and I think Corbyn would do well against Gideon, or better still, Boris.

 

[redandwhiterob]

I don't think Corbyn does, and I expect he'll stand down or be stabbed in the back before the next election. But I'm looking forward to a couple of years or so of him getting stuck into Cameron at PMQs, rather than someone like Yvette Cooper kissing his arse.

Meanwhile, if he reminds older Labour members and a generation of new ones that core party beliefs, such as state ownership of the railways, shouldn't be howled down as lunacy by Tories on the opposite bench and in the Labour party, then he's been worth my vote.

For what it's worth, Cameron is standing down before the next General Election, and I think Corbyn would do well against Gideon, or better still, Boris.

As he has spent his entire career voting against his own democractally elected leader I can't see how he can stand on the front bench as leader and call for unity and backing and expect everyone to fall in line

Be a few ex ministers, junior ministers and plenty of MPs who Corbyn has trashed over the years who will be looking at getting some of there own back

 

[Reflektor]

As he has spent his entire career voting against his own democractally elected leader I can't see how he can stand on the front bench as leader and call for unity and backing and expect everyone to fall in line

Be a few ex ministers, junior ministers and plenty of MPs who Corbyn has trashed over the years who will be looking at getting some of there own back

This.

I don't think Corbyn does, and I expect he'll stand down or be stabbed in the back before the next election. But I'm looking forward to a couple of years or so of him getting stuck into Cameron at PMQs, rather than someone like Yvette Cooper kissing his arse.

Meanwhile, if he reminds older Labour members and a generation of new ones that core party beliefs, such as state ownership of the railways, shouldn't be howled down as lunacy by Tories on the opposite bench and in the Labour party, then he's been worth my vote.

For what it's worth, Cameron is standing down before the next General Election, and I think Corbyn would do well against Gideon, or better still, Boris.

What absolute bollocks.

 

[tiptoad]

As he has spent his entire career voting against his own democractally elected leader I can't see how he can stand on the front bench as leader and call for unity and backing and expect everyone to fall in line

Be a few ex ministers, junior ministers and plenty of MPs who Corbyn has trashed over the years who will be looking at getting some of there own back

That's why I said I think he'll be stabbed in the back.

I hope not, but that's what'll happen.

 

[Tatty]

As he has spent his entire career voting against his own democractally elected leader I can't see how he can stand on the front bench as leader and call for unity and backing and expect everyone to fall in line

Be a few ex ministers, junior ministers and plenty of MPs who Corbyn has trashed over the years who will be looking at getting some of there own back

So he, or any left wing candidate shouldn't stand because other MPs will fuck it up for them? Then how will anything ever change?

 

[smoker]

real life example of how an anti-austerity party performed in general election

Syriza and the French Socialist Party not useless enough for you?

 

[Reflektor]

So he, or any left wing candidate shouldn't stand because other MPs will fuck it up for them? Then how will anything ever change?

No but he cannot expect unity or loyatly to his leadership when he has never given it himself to other factions of the party.

Nor can he expect any MP to take up a position in his shadow cabinet, given how many on the PLP refused to take up office under TB/GB

 

[El Matador]

As he has spent his entire career voting against his own democractally elected leader I can't see how he can stand on the front bench as leader and call for unity and backing and expect everyone to fall in line

Be a few ex ministers, junior ministers and plenty of MPs who Corbyn has trashed over the years who will be looking at getting some of there own back

It sounds to me that you are saying the parliamentary labour party are going to sabotage his leadership should he win the election despite the wishes of the party members. Is that right ?
What a set of arrogant, selfish, spiteful çunts. Whatever happened to respecting the wishes of the majority and working to strengthen the party ?

 

[Tatty]

Syriza and the French Socialist Party not useless enough for you?

The question was whether he could be PM, not whether he'd be any good or not. So you've answered the question there with you examples of elected left wing parties.

 

[El Matador]

No but he cannot expect unity or loyatly to his leadership when he has never given it himself to other factions of the party.

Nor can he expect any MP to take up a position in his shadow cabinet, given how many on the PLP refused to take up office under TB/GB

As I was saying.

 

[redandwhiterob]

So he, or any left wing candidate shouldn't stand because other MPs will fuck it up for them? Then how will anything ever change?

Where did I say that?

The point is when you join a party and become a mp I don't see a problem with supporting your front bench even if you don't exactly agree with the policy. That is how political party's work. You go on with one voice. When you work your way up the ladder you can then get a bigger say on policy eventually if you become leader have overall say

I wouldn't have a problem if any MP when got to the front bench or became leader shaped policy differently to what he actually supported as a back bencher. If you have any ambitions to get to big boys politics you need to be loyal servant to the party when yoh are a back bencher then when it is your turn you can ask and command loyalty as you have gave it yourself

I bet you every major player in British politics when they started out supported there government on something even when not entirely agreeing with it. I don't have a problem with that at all cos that's the way it's suppose to work. You go with one voice and together

Corbyn or his ilk are perfectly entitled to vote as the please as we live in a democracy but if you do intend to vote and trash your own front bench on numerous occasions then don't expect any loyalty yourself if the day comes when or if you get your turn in the top job

It sounds to me that you are saying the parliamentary labour party are going to sabotage his leadership should he win the election despite the wishes of the party members. Is that right ?
What a set of arrogant, selfish, spiteful çunts. Whatever happened to respecting the wishes of the majority and working to strengthen the party ?

All these members who love the party that muvh they weren't members up until a few weeks ago?

 

[lurker]

I wonder , does anyone, anywhere, think Mr. Corbyn will ever be PM ?

Nobody thought Barack would be president a few years back

 

[Tatty]

Where did I say that?

The point is when you join a party and become a mp I don't see a problem with supporting your front bench even if you don't exactly agree with the policy. That is how political party's work. You go on with one voice. When you work your way up the ladder you can then get a bigger say on policy eventually if you become leader have overall say

I wouldn't have a problem if any MP when got to the front bench or became leader shaped policy differently to what he actually supported as a back bencher. If you have any ambitions to get to big boys politics you need to be loyal servant to the party when yoh are a back bencher then when it is your turn you can ask and command loyalty as you have gave it yourself

I bet you every major player in British politics when they started out supported there government on something even when not entirely agreeing with it. I don't have a problem with that at all cos that's the way it's suppose to work. You go with one voice and together

Corbyn or his ilk are perfectly entitled to vote as the please as we live in a democracy but if you do intend to vote and trash your own front bench on numerous occasions then don't expect any loyalty yourself if the day comes when or if you get your turn in the top job

I agree that that sometimes has to be the case, but if the front bench are themselves being disloyal to the party (Labour being a social democratic party) then I don't see a problem with it.

 

[El Matador]

All these members who love the party that muvh they weren't members up until a few weeks ago?

As I card carrier I would have thought you'd be very happy having so many young people sign up and engage. That was something the new lot couldn't manage to do as they further and further disengaged from the electorate and their own active base. That this parliamentary lot are threatening to spit their dummies out is about par for them.

 

[monkeytassle]

Chuka is a bit of a slimy twat

 

[redandwhiterob]

As I card carrier I would have thought you'd be very happy having so many young people sign up and engage. That was something the new lot couldn't manage to do as they further and further disengaged from the electorate and their own active base. That this parliamentary lot are threatening to spit their dummies out is about par for them.

As proved with all the red tory, tory light etc if you are not 100% behind Corbyn you are now seen as scum by most of these new sign ups

I am all for moving the goalposts slightly left but I think you know as well as I know Corbyn is the wrong mam to do it. He comes with way to much baggage

I have had many a conversation with those to the left if me and have mostly found if you are not in agreement 100% with them the toys are out the pram

If Corbyn does hoy olive branches out to other factions in his party only a matter of time before he is lambasted for not being radical enough by his core support

It's about winning the battle in the party more than beating the tories for most of them imo

 

[lurker]

As proved with all the red tory, tory light etc if you are not 100% behind Corbyn you are now seen as scum by most of these new sign ups

I am all for moving the goalposts slightly left but I think you know as well as I know Corbyn is the wrong mam to do it. He comes with way to much baggage

I have had many a conversation with those to the left if me and have mostly found if you are not in agreement 100% with them the toys are out the pram

If Corbyn does hoy olive branches out to other factions in his party only a matter of time before he is lambasted for not being radical enough by his core support

It's about winning the battle in the party more than beating the tories for most of them imo

Jeez we can!