Ex-CIA Pilot - No Planes Hit The Twin Towers

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TwasOnTheFifthOfMay said:
Well done mate. The bit you highlighted was in response to the assertion by awkq that we are force fed the "official version" by some sort of "puppet mass media", not a criticism that they are able to do this. I take it you don't agree with that.

Apart from the fact I completely demolished another of your stupid fantasies. Or perhaps because of it.
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You go your way and ill go mine.

dangermows said:
Cos they used the attacks as a reason to pile into Iraq. But that doesn't mean they carried them out to pile in.
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but it gave them a reason to introduce the patriot act and embark on a never ending 'war on terror'
 
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aukq said:
but it gave them a reason to introduce the patriot act and embark on a never ending 'war on terror'
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There was no indication pre 9/11 that the Bush administration wanted to do anything at all. He was well on his way to becoming the laziest President in history.
 
The Exile said:
There was no indication pre 9/11 that the Bush administration wanted to do anything at all. He was well on his way to becoming the laziest President in history.
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I believe Blair refers to his conversations with Bush re: Iraq pre-9/11 in his book "A Journey", and he wanted to go there.
 
The Exile said:
There was no indication pre 9/11 that the Bush administration wanted to do anything at all. He was well on his way to becoming the laziest President in history.
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the 'bush' administration and bush is just a puppet, you muppet. see, you cant just make a statement like that not knowing your stuff.

I suggest you look into a report called 'the project for the new american century' PNAC.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

In this report, comissioned by a think tank in 1997 based in DC and headed up by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, it details they already, amongst countless other initiatives, had decided upon regime change in iraq before the 2nd bush administration had even taken office.

Id also draw your attention to the part of the document where they state their goals would most likely be long term 'absent another pearl harbour' type attack on home soil.

This clearly would give them all the reason they would ever need to follow through on these long term goals at a massivley advanced pace.

ReidysLeftLug said:
I believe Blair refers to his conversations with Bush re: Iraq pre-9/11 in his book "A Journey", and he wanted to go there.
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@The Exile has had a mare with this one, but will still strive on, no doubt, with his debunking efforts

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Dick Cheney went onto be George W Bushes Vice President

Rumsfeld, his Secertary of Defense

Wolfowitz, Rumsfelds deputy and then president of the world bank

Lofty positions indeed for the key players involved in the PNAC
 
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aukq said:
@The Exile has had a mare with this one, but will still strive on, no doubt, with his debunking efforts
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Not really, though I am pleased to see the standard CT strategy of someone branded an evil liar being an unimpeachable source of truth when it suits.
 
There were/are a host of neo con pressure groups and lobbyists many of which have transported wannabe politicians to be politicians. It's how the system works in the US.

The PNAC choice of words may well sound suspicious when taken in isolation, but honestly, if you were planning a stunt like the one you claim was orchestrated by these men, would you publicise it?

There is simply no demonstrable proof that it was an inside job and all of the CT arguments are eventually picked apart leaving little more than strange coincidences and conjecture.
 
cosmicchris00 said:
There were/are a host of neo con pressure groups and lobbyists many of which have transported wannabe politicians to be politicians. It's how the system works in the US.

The PNAC choice of words may well sound suspicious when taken in isolation, but honestly, if you were planning a stunt like the one you claim was orchestrated by these men, would you publicise it?

There is simply no demonstrable proof that it was an inside job and all of the CT arguments are eventually picked apart leaving little more than strange coincidences and conjecture.
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This is what I have an issue with; people towing the official line will happily concede there are "strange coincidences" - yet, is it really the case that so many strange coincidences surrounding an isolated event can realistically dismissed as such?

Would a murder investigation discount countless coincidences in their investigation, or rather, use them to form the real investigation?

And then, when people like Aukq & ProfessionalMackem refuse to let them go, they are the ones judged to be unreasonable?
 
daveydavey said:
This is what I have an issue with; people towing the official line will happily concede there are "strange coincidences" - yet, is it really the case that so many strange coincidences surrounding an isolated event can realistically dismissed as such?

Would a murder investigation discount countless coincidences in their investigation, or rather, use them to form the real investigation?
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Yeah, I think you're vastly overestimating the number and genuine strangeness of any coincidences. Most of them aren't really strange at all when you think how many things happen all the time. Compared to the contrived circumstances and silence of tens of thousands you need for even the most basic CT it's nothing significant.

daveydavey said:
And then, when people like Aukq & ProfessionalMackem refuse to let them go, they are the ones judged to be unreasonable?
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They're judged unreasonable because of their constant assertions that things "don't look right" to them, or "seem strange", when in fact they have no specialised knowledge, and even when experts do explain why they're wrong, go "meh" and move on to the next thing they've made up.
 
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It's much harder to explain and sustain a conspiracy theory than the real thing. Some of the things that the theorists are trying convince us of would be almost impossible to carry out, and would rely on multiple people having knowledge of them. It would never stay covered up because people talk. The most the World can accuse the Americans of before 9/11 is complacency. Attacks on American soil by aggressors were almost unheard of, so they let their guard down and got stung, big time, then lashed out. It happened a similar way in WW2. The USA weren't interested in getting involved until Pearl Harbour happened. They were quite happy staying out of it.
 
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