Boris Bear
Striker
The subject of the thread for starters
Male Suicide debate on the BBC
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But you responded to my comment about what Caitlin Moran had said? You said she was wrong.
Boris Bear
Striker
I think she is…I don’t think men with problems consider that relatively speaking men are better off than most and therefore not deserving of the milk of human kindness…so why apply that context?
That’s not what Moran is saying. I’m not sure where you are getting that from.
irisheyesaresmiling
Full Back
Plenty evidence locally sadly
Boris Bear
Striker
That she argues that even though they have it better off than most they have a perception that they don’t.
I’m saying that what really turns blokes off is that when they need a bit of support they’re met with this ‘but women /etc’ attitude. It’s not at all relevant to respond that one demographic is better or worse off than another.
Peegee
Winger
My question would be a philosophical one. What metrics determine what a better or easier life is? Surely it depends what people value in life and want to get out of life?
Society seems to have determined the ability to progress up the corporate ladder and live free from the risk of racial prejudice = social nirvana
Black Cat Gypsy
Striker
What I've learned from all of this that are enshrined and stuck in their views that they can't have a simple debate.
Ava Evans is that stubborn she couldn't see that the debate was about male suicide and jumped in with both feet.
Fox and Wootton are two idiots who's own prejudice and thick heads have seen them belittle a woman with sexist remarks.
Ava Evans is that stubborn she couldn't see that the debate was about male suicide and jumped in with both feet.
Fox and Wootton are two idiots who's own prejudice and thick heads have seen them belittle a woman with sexist remarks.
Turner the Cat
Central Defender
I'd seen it yesterday and thought it was an awful example of prejudice that men can face. I asked my wife if she believed some women absolutely refused to believe that men faced any particular issues and she said "absolutely".
We have so much more data now that helps us understand the challenges that particular groups face whether women, people of certain races etc and yes, even men and its clear men face certain issues where they need help.
Yes, the majority of domestic abuse is experienced by women but 25% of domestic abuse victims are men and yet only 4% of domestic abuse support goes to men. This is a very clear example of where men need targeted support. Firstly, most people would be surprised that as many as 1 in 7 men are victims of domestic abuse. Awareness would be helpful. Then there is the stigma that men dont want to admit they are victims of domestic abuse and dont reach out for help.
This is one of many examples of where the specific experience and circumstances of men needs to be understand with a coordinated response accordingly.
You can add to that sexual assault and abuse, suicide, mental health, performance in schools, access to children when seperated from a partner amongst many other topics.
I find her attitude a disgrace.
We have so much more data now that helps us understand the challenges that particular groups face whether women, people of certain races etc and yes, even men and its clear men face certain issues where they need help.
Yes, the majority of domestic abuse is experienced by women but 25% of domestic abuse victims are men and yet only 4% of domestic abuse support goes to men. This is a very clear example of where men need targeted support. Firstly, most people would be surprised that as many as 1 in 7 men are victims of domestic abuse. Awareness would be helpful. Then there is the stigma that men dont want to admit they are victims of domestic abuse and dont reach out for help.
This is one of many examples of where the specific experience and circumstances of men needs to be understand with a coordinated response accordingly.
You can add to that sexual assault and abuse, suicide, mental health, performance in schools, access to children when seperated from a partner amongst many other topics.
I find her attitude a disgrace.
CPLforever
Midfield
And to be honest I would like to bet she is a little pleased about the furore that followed. Fox and Wooten's stupid and offensive remarks took the heat of her stupid and offensive remarks.
So, the answer to male mental health issues is to hound women who don't understand them?
Interesting this psychotherapy business
Interesting this psychotherapy business
She didn't seem keen on offering any, just assuming bad faith on the other side.
Pantomime Mackem
Winger
I see he’s called her a misandrist while also apologising to her. I hope she sues him for defamation
Men telling women what to say now, upthreadThis thread.
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dangermows
Striker
The absolutely state of PM
Pantomime Mackem
Winger
He’s now blamed her in his vid for the under-reporting of sexual assault While also apologising to her!
While also apologising to her!
Martin F
Striker
He?He’s now blamed her in his vid for the under-reporting of sexual assault
Boris Bear
Striker
No, it's to call out when people are being deliberately obtuse on a serious subject...you'll recognise that from your post.
Pantomime Mackem
Winger
Fox. Did a vid on Twitter, 15 mins. He apologises but says every sane man should run a mile from her and accuses her of misandry and making sexual assault harder to report.
Whatever you do Pike, don’t mention the words “male fragility”
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BarrySheensAutograph
Central Defender
It's quite pathetic reallyThe absolutely state of PM
Why ever not ?
Hounding men who don't understand them has worked for women for millennia.
It's called equality in the 21st century..
