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stephen cartwright
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Moon Mysteries.
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Exactly.
ProfessionalMackem
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Loads of different sources mate, internet and books mainly. David Icke, Zacaria Sitchen off the top of my head. David Icke's forum is a fountain of information of basically everything, the wacky to the absurd. As long as you can cut the wheat from the chaff, you'll be okay. Youtube is canny awesome for documentaries anarl, Michael Tsarion (a bit of a egotistical wanker) has a few really good talks on some fascinating stuff, from Atlantis to the occult.
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Winnits?
ProfessionalMackem
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Fuck off with your boring logic and common sense man.
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Aye, 5 degrees from the Earth's orbit round the sun, but a whopping 23.5 degrees from the Earth's equatorial plane. Now the question is, was the accretion disc, from which the moon was made from supposed to be following Earth's equator or the path of Earth around the sun? I would've said the spinning of the Earth has more of a gravitational affect than the pull of the Sun. Kinda how Uranus is tilted 90degrees on it's side and the rings have coalesced according to the rotational axis of the planet rather than celestial plane.
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Anyway, enough of the science. The Moon's an ancient spaceship emitting frequencies outside the visible spectrum, subjugating us at behest of their reptilian based overlords.
That's a thread in itself that marra.Before the universe? Before the big bang? Before the decay of time? Before matter? Just pure energy, no form or substance, everything and nothing, just thought. And before that? Fuck knows?
Not that easy marra, otherwise the theory of a giant impact wouldn't be a theory it would be proven with all observable data. It isn't, the questions the inadequacy of this theory was posted a while back but just for you mate.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis
Difficulties
This lunar origin hypothesis has some difficulties that have yet to be fully resolved. For example, the giant impact hypothesis implies that a surface magma ocean would have formed following the impact. Yet there is no evidence that the Earth ever had such a magma ocean and it is likely there exists material that has never been processed by a magma ocean.[28]
Composition
There are a number of compositional inconsistencies that need to be addressed.
- The ratios of the Moon's volatile elements are not explained by the giant impact hypothesis. If the giant impact hypothesis is correct, they must be due to some other cause.[28]
- The presence of volatiles such as water trapped in lunar basalts is more difficult to explain if the Moon was caused by an impact that would entail a catastrophic heating event.[29]
- The iron oxide (FeO) content (13%) of the Moon, which is intermediate between Mars (18%) and the terrestrial mantle (8%), rules out most of the source of the proto-lunar material from the Earth's mantle.[30]
- If the bulk of the proto-lunar material had come from the impactor, the Moon should be enriched in siderophilic elements, when, in fact, it is deficient in those.[31]
- The Moon's oxygen isotopic ratios are essentially identical to those of Earth.[6] Oxygen isotopic ratios, which may be measured very precisely, yield a unique and distinct signature for each solar system body.[32] If Theia had been a separate proto-planet, it probably would have had a different oxygen isotopic signature than Earth, as would the ejected mixed material.[33]
- The Moon's titanium isotope ratio (50Ti/47Ti) appears so close to the Earth's (within 4 ppm), that little if any of the colliding body's mass could likely have been part of the Moon.[34][35]
If Earth's moon was formed by such an impact, it is possible that other inner planets also may have been subjected to comparable impacts. A moon that formed around Venus by this process would have been unlikely to escape, so if such an event had occurred there, a possible explanation of why the planet does not have such a moon might be that a second collision occurred that countered the angular momentum from the first impact.[36] Another is that the strong tidal forces from the Sun would tend to destabilize the orbits of moons around close-in planets. For this reason, if Venus's slow rotation rate began early in its history, any satellites larger than a few kilometres in size would likely have spiralled into the planet.[37]
Simulations of the chaotic period of terrestrial planet formation suggest that impacts, such as those hypothesized to have formed the Moon, were common. For typical terrestrial planets with a mass of 0.5–1 Earth masses, such an impact typically results in a single moon containing 4% of the host planet's mass. The inclination of this moon's orbit is random, but this tilt affects the subsequent dynamic evolution of the system. For example, some orbits may cause the moon to spiral back into the planet. Likewise, the proximity of the planet to the star also will affect the orbital evolution. The net effect is that it is more likely for impact-generated moons to survive when they orbit more distant terrestrial planets and to be aligned with the planetary orbit.[38]
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greedminds
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Bovvered
ProfessionalMackem
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Bingo bango. Well apart from the seeking perfection part. I don't know why they would want the same size facing us all the time, but I'll tell you this for nowt, the two sides are vastly different, for no apparent reason. The centre of mass of the moon isn't where it should be, and due to this the bulge of the moon should be facing outwards not inwards to stabilise the Earth. It hasn't always perfectly eclipsed us, like other posters have mentioned, in the distant path it was closer so covered more of the sun during the eclipse. It's just during this relative small window of human civilisation that we see a perfect eclipse, just another of the fantastical anomalous coincidences we see with our moon.
P.s The jury is out on Venus's anti-cyclones, Mars's two moons, Jupiter's huge storm, Saturn's rings and the hexagonal storm on it's pole, all show signs of artificial engineering. Those are for another thread though, I haven't done as much reading around on those.
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Heeeed the Ball
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Arrogant statement, have you been off planet before?
What it keeps coming back to for me is the fact we've never been back for 40 years. No other country has tried to go, even the U.S. and Russia massively scaled back their space technology research. Imagine if they had carried on at the same pace after the moon landing. We'd have a base there now, probably on Mars as well. It doesn't add up.
IknowWhatILike
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there was a thing called the cold war y'kna.
Its the only real reason we went in the first place. And went back a canny few times, so its not like aliens told us to fuck off and never come back
Since then, there just hasn't been the political motivation. Imagine if someone said in these times of austerity we were cutting the NHS, but spending billions to go back to the moon. No one would go for it.
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Heeeed the Ball
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As Ive said the moon is teaming with life forms..............................fact
ErichZann
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I'm no expert but I've read a few book about the universe and have to believe that there was nothing, the concept of there being nothing is incomprehensible I've tried to imagine it I can't. If you haven't already you should read Physics of the Impossible by Michio Kaku its a great read.
We've only been in austerity for 5 years or so. What about the other 40.there was a thing called the cold war y'kna.
Its the only real reason we went in the first place. And went back a canny few times, so its not like aliens told us to fuck off and never come back
Since then, there just hasn't been the political motivation. Imagine if someone said in these times of austerity we were cutting the NHS, but spending billions to go back to the moon. No one would go for it.
IknowWhatILike
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Like I said, the cold war.
The whole thing was done for prestige, once the USA had won there wasn't really any point in the Russians going. Or the Americans wasting the money to develop a whole new program to go back. Nice, simple solution without making any huge leaps of reasoning.
Or aliens
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