Food banks

[Pants]

I posted the figures in response to somebody saying there is a large section of society that doesn't want to work.

The figures prove it's a tiny section of society that has achieved this goal.

If you want to discuss your ludicrous claim that there are 11,000 of these in Shields alone, I'd be happy to look at your official figures. Otherwise it's pointless continuing this if you're just going to make stuff up, with only me providing facts of any sort.

Ok, I was taking the piss slightly with 11,000 in Shields. But there are plenty.

The 11,000 who have been unemployed for 5 years straight are nowhere near the number of people that have achieved the goal of being long-term unemployed. They're just the elite ones.

 

[El Matador]

according to you that figure for the square mile is on the low side.

Sorry, i was talking about Greater London. If i'd been talking about the square mile it would have been more like 98.5 %.

 

[Pants]

I saw a tv show about food banks and in among the single mothers, unemployed and people at the end of their tether were a couple in a quite nice house who's circumstances had taken a dramatic change.
After paying their bills they had nothing left to buy food or other essentials. Must have took some nerve to go cap in hand to a food bank considering their previous lifestyle. When you've never been in that situation though it's easy to look down on them I suppose.

Except a nice house to sell?

 

[alexander]

You're kind of and expert at pudding sausages in puddings tbh

Don't get me started on Sausage Surprise. I have plenty of thyme for that.

Anyway, am only up to about page twelve on this thread. The many shortened words with only capital letters in confuse me but I have learned a lot already. Didn't know about these food banks till a similar thread a few weeks back. Back then and till I asked about it I thought it was like a bank but with food and that you had to have an account or something. But it seems to be more like an old-fashioned Salvation Army soup kitchen you see in old black and white flicks about the Depression than an actual bank. I like the idea of helping but the many posts about how some people seem to take advantage of it all saddens me. What do they get out of it apart from using the system ? Can they be punished ?

Having only read about half the thread thus far though I have a question, which I hope coming from an ignorant alien won't come across too stupid, but how would the folks who really do need these food banks in place manage if they weren't there ? Is there something in place if they can't be referred to them ? And where did they go before the food banks came into place ? Soup kitchens have been around for a long time but are these food banks a fairly new invention ?

 

[John Steed]

I agree. To me a zero hour contract basically means no contract. It should be outlawed.


He lives in Holland mate. Maybe there weren't as many layabouts when he left.



In not a Tory.

I'm not a Tory that should say.

You might not vote for them but you have the mindset.

 

[El Matador]

If that doesn't give him a balanced or fair view then how the fuck do you have a balanced or fair one living in a tepee, stoned off your tits in Holland?

A pub which a lot of long term unemployed people use really wouldn't be representative of unemployed people. It's not that difficult to work out.
I don't live in a teepee.....it's a yurt.

 

[Pants]

I agree. To me a zero hour contract basically means no contract. It should be outlawed.

I don't think they should be outlawed. Some people actively want that kind of part-time work, maybe as a second income or sommat. But the benefits system should be made simpler for people who have such a contract if they're still trying to find regular employment.

 

[tiptoad]

There are far more long term unemployed than 11,000.

According to the official figures I provided, there are 50,000 on three years and 11,000 on five years. The discussion was about people not wanting to work, so evidently around four fifths of medium-term unemployed aren't successful in achieving this, and are finding work.

Are you finding it hard to accept that the number of career doleys isn't anywhere near as large as you'd hoped? I'd say it's good news myself, but each to their own.

 

[El Matador]

He lives in Holland mate. Maybe there weren't as many layabouts when he left.

** yawn **

It didn't take you long to get home after clocking off.

 

[AndrewP]

You might not vote for them but you have the mindset.

No I don't. Unless of course it's a Tory trait not to support the career unemployed. Before you can say banker, I'd go after the rich pisstakers too.

 

[John Steed]

Except a nice house to sell?

Me and my family have no food today. "I know I'll sell my house this afternoon now I can eat". "Shit it takes ages to sell a house."

 

[monkeytassle]

I don't think they should be outlawed. Some people actively want that kind of part-time work, maybe as a second income or sommat. But the benefits system should be made simpler for people who have such a contract if they're still trying to find regular employment.

problem is the system is simply too large to be that mobile. like your suggestion of that couple selling a house

 

[AndrewP]

I don't think they should be outlawed. Some people actively want that kind of part-time work, maybe as a second income or sommat. But the benefits system should be made simpler for people who have such a contract if they're still trying to find regular employment.

Universal Credit (which I don't support nor do I think will work) would help people on zero hour contracts by its very nature.

 

[El Matador]

I saw a tv show about food banks and in among the single mothers, unemployed and people at the end of their tether were a couple in a quite nice house who's circumstances had taken a dramatic change.
After paying their bills they had nothing left to buy food or other essentials. Must have took some nerve to go cap in hand to a food bank considering their previous lifestyle. When you've never been in that situation though it's easy to look down on them I suppose.

The figures which are given for the amount of people using foodbanks do not reflect the true number of people in need as there are many who are too proud or ashamed to go along to a foodbank.

 

[John Steed]

No I don't. Unless of course it's a Tory trait not to support the career unemployed. Before you can say banker, I'd go after the rich pisstakers too.

So you think anybody who is down on their luck is career unemployed.
Ok you're not a Tory, just a bit naive.

 

[AndrewP]

According to the official figures I provided, there are 50,000 on three years and 11,000 on five years. The discussion was about people not wanting to work, so evidently around four fifths of medium-term unemployed aren't successful in achieving this, and are finding work.

Are you finding it hard to accept that the number of career doleys isn't anywhere near as large as you'd hoped? I'd say it's good news myself, but each to their own.

How many jump through hoops to take themselves off the books. How many people pretend to be sick to come off JSA until they're kicked off the sick? Are these people not worthy of a mention?

So you think anybody who is down on their luck is career unemployed.
Ok you're not a Tory, just a bit naive.

No I don't. Only those who don't want to work but are perfectly able. Keep putting words into my mouth though.

The figures which are given for the amount of people using foodbanks do not reflect the true number of people in need as there are many who are too proud or ashamed to go along to a foodbank.

What are the food bank figures? Has anyone posted details of the number of people who have made use of them?

** yawn **

It didn't take you long to get home after clocking off.

I'm out now.

 

[Some Random Guy]

I could find about that many just in Shields. 11,000 is your number for people who've been unemployed for 5 years straight. That conveniently ignores all those who've been willfully unemployed for 4 years, 3 years, 2 years, 1 year straight and all the ones who've just signed back on after being forced into taking a job for a few weeks to get the JSA off their back for the next stretch. So it's really not that surprising that everyone knows some of them.

What shite. There are less than 9,000 unemployed people right now in South Tyneside never mind unemployed for over 5 years, South Shields constituency is at 5,000.

JSA claimants are at 5,400 in South Tyneside while South Shields constituency is at 3,200. South Tyneside has the lowest number of JSA claimants its had since December 2008.

There are around 2,000 people who have been claiming JSA for over a year, it was half that 4 years ago so it isn't all rosie. To assume the majority of those people are lazy rather than living in an area with a really shitty job market is ludicrous.

There are issues with low pay/ no pay cycles in any deprived area, Sunderland included. But the numbers are nowhere near the shite your spouting in that post.

 

[anotherfinemessi]

I know, it helps me, I'm grateful for it. Hadn't received a penny in my life, but I'm still very grateful for it, it comes in handy.

It's good that you've been lucky enough not to make a claim before. I haven't either - and still don't - so I can't imagine what it's like when you suddenly have to. I guess you couldn't cope without claiming your benefits, so it's a good job they're there for all who need them.

 

[John Steed]

The figures which are given for the amount of people using foodbanks do not reflect the true number of people in need as there are many who are too proud or ashamed to go along to a foodbank.

There is nobody in need, you haven't read the thread. Everybody who works for low pay gets tax credits and 99.9% of people on benefits get enough to live on. You have to be stupid if you can't cope, ask Andrew, he knows.

 

[tiptoad]

How many jump through hoops to take themselves off the books. How many people pretend to be sick to come off JSA until they're kicked off the sick? Are these people not worthy of a mention?

f***ing he'll man, I've just provided you with official figures that prove only around one per cent - a tiny minority - of claimants are 'career unemployed', yet you're convinced there's still a significant number conning the DWP.

I shouldn't really be surprised at this contempt you have for the jobless, seeing as you were suggesting on here a few months ago that the unemployed should be monitored daily to make sure they're getting out of bed in the mornings.