UK ordered to pay £1.7bn more to EU

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mcq10 said:
This is definety a cameron face palm moment :lol:

Cameron's going to look like the weak leader he is no matter the outcome here.

I for one can't wait
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wait for what - labour to screw everything up again???? please god nooooooooo never ever let them near our finances again
 
AFCSR6 said:
This rule has always been there, Germany paid more for years when the other economies were on their arses and theirs was doing well, didn't hear any complaints about the rebates we were getting from them.
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The rebates we were handed on a plate as a nice surprise one day, because they'd noticed we had the 2nd worst economy in the EU?

Or the ones that Thatcher had to fight tooth and nail for, on that basis?
 
remember when we didnt join the euro - all the doommongers and naysayers declaring financial disaster for the country? how WRONG they were - lets get out of the EU now!
 
While I'm by no means an expert on this subject, can someone explain to me why people think the EU have us over a barrel and leaving would be economic suicide when we import £135bn more from the EU than we export.
 
MrOompapa said:
its only £1.7billion? only £1.7 billion????!

Glad that you have that kind of money lying around for you to make such a comment. Not sure where the "tax avoidance" ideas come in.

Of course you have also forgotten that this money is only the tip of the ice berg: the United Kingdom pays £5.85 billion a year contribution already as it is Source:

Not sure where the "tax avoidance" claims come from, but regardless, you had firmly reminded me that socialists also oppose the EU. I do acknowledge that some of the respectable members of the left, Tony Benn and Michael Foot, opposed it. So I don't see how you can then backtrack on that argument and accuse it of being a "UKIP-tory" thing.
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I think it it's closer to £8.6 billion that we already pay
 
mad hatter said:
While I'm by no means an expert on this subject, can someone explain to me why people think the EU have us over a barrel and leaving would be economic suicide when we import £135bn more from the EU than we export.
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Because we're all racists and bigots, apparently.

The issue of the EU should not be a left versus right issue. We should all be fighting to either sort it out or fuck off. It is disgusting.
 
Laughable. f***ing hell at a time when everyone knows the UK would like a referemdum the EU really arent helping themselves are they? Clearly they just dont get it or like the results of referendums arent bothered.

No doubt we'll cough up in the end and Cameron will put this over as a victory.

CEF said:
I think it it's closer to £8.6 billion that we already pay
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It is.
 
mad hatter said:
While I'm by no means an expert on this subject, can someone explain to me why people think the EU have us over a barrel and leaving would be economic suicide when we import £135bn more from the EU than we export.
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Hatter - this to me is the heart of the EU lovers. The suggestion would be that the EU would be a closed market if we were on the outside - i.e. we would struggle to export and sell our goods in the EU, therefore we would have greater debt if we couldn't sell our goods, but continued to buy theirs. Reality of business, I would suggest, is that we would all continue to trade as normal but we wouldn't be paying into the EU, we could implement our own laws and perhaps put a lid in EU immigration and benefit hunters. I never understand, how we are an island but cannot control our borders.....
 
The cynic in me thinks its a ploy for Cameron to go there play the hard man and come back with a victory, so people think we have the power to influence things in EU.
 
mad hatter said:
While I'm by no means an expert on this subject, can someone explain to me why people think the EU have us over a barrel and leaving would be economic suicide when we import £135bn more from the EU than we export.
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Because we'd export less (tariffs) so that value (if correct) would vastly increase?

Just a guess like.
 
Brexit said:
Because we're all racists and bigots, apparently.

The issue of the EU should not be a left versus right issue. We should all be fighting to either sort it out or fuck off. It is disgusting.
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The majority of people and politicians want to fight to sort it out.

A tiny minority called UKIP wants to fuck off regardless.

Fair comment?

Brexit said:
We'd also import less by potentially a higher ratio.
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Because we couldn't afford to buy as much (e.g. CAP food) given the drop in our exports?

Have you thought this through mate?
 
lenshack said:
UKIP may never gain power but they've made folk really understand to what extent we've been shafted in every way possible by the inefficient shambolic wasteful self serving organisation that is the present EU and that we could get along quite nicely without it.
It's a fallacy to suggest we would lose out by leaving, they need our trade more than we need theirs.
For example the Germans will still be desperate to sell us cars and Spain will be desperate that we continue the tourist trade and invest in even more property.
This is surely the final kick in the teeth from Brussels who have always made it clear how much they despise us and only want us in for our contribution to their lives of luxury .
Just look at what we gave them on a plate by way of our territorial fishing waters.
The Norwegians had more sense and their fishing income rivals that of their oil industry.
Meantime the EU cowboys have destroyed and dredged our waters for all these years till they reached their present desperate predicament.
Sooner we are out the better.
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I remember the Norwegians voting against joining years back. Can anyone find a link to the reasoning?

I believe one problem they had was they'd be forced to abandon whaling if they joined, so it might not be for economic reasons alone.

I know there's (an often flouted) international ban on whaling, but I remember that being mentioned.
 
Roger Senseless said:
Because we'd export less (tariffs) so that value (if correct) would vastly increase?

Just a guess like.
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But then wouldn't the EU suffer a canny drop in export revenue with us gone? They make more money from us than we do from them.
 
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