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stephen cartwright
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i blame the irish
Well this plane crash/shooting down knacks the 9/11 nutters
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How many angles would you need to cover a section of wide open lawn sufficiently though? One or two would be fine I would have thought, bearing in mind that CCTV isn't installed with the intention of filming planes. How ever many cameras were covering the area, you'd never see more than a couple of frames due to the speed the thing was travelling at. I would've thought radar would be the more likely method of tracking a plane in the American military nerve centre.
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not spavin
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You've seen the CCTV footage that shows the impact. I could understand your concern if the only footage was of some pavement on the other side of the building, but you've seen the only relevant bit.
What more do you need to see?
But it was a plane. Everyone saw a plane. There were plane bits everywhere. No one saw summat that wasn't a plane. Planes hit other things that morning. A plane went missing. The MO was planes.
What do you think it was, if not a plane? A missile? Because no one saw a missile, there is zero evidence for it.
Either you're interested in evidence, or you're not.
No, you wouldn't.
You've got a hypothesis from the internet. Nothing will ever shake that. The internet told you what to think, evidence is worthless to you.
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Big Sharp Teeth
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As I said, unfounded opinion.
It's like the lads on the plane thread last week. 'If it was hit by a missile it would have been vaporised in my opinion. Something's doesn't seem right'.
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not spavin
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It was 2001. Think of the storage implications back then. If your filmed in digital, you could only credibly store footage at something like 2-4 frames per second (fps).
Even today, most CCTV runs about 10fps. Normal TV is around 30fps. Super slo-mo is about 100fps - that's what you'd need to really see the full impact at 500mph.
But the CCTV is a red herring. We can see the aftermath in full resolution. There's a plane-shaped hole, a lawn strewn with plane bits and absolutely no one in a major city who can attest to those things being planted.
To deny that a plane hit the pentagon makes you a child, or mental.
ravydavygravy
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Why do you need video footage though? That's the clincher.
If a tree falls down in the woods, did it fall down? Bearing in mind there is no cctv coverage.
Gideon Gungeon
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thoughts are with still with the families there mate. when will this nightmare end for them?
greedminds
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To be sure
Lankester Merrin
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I didn't say that. I went to Ground Zero because I was caught up in a terrorist attack in the UK years ago. Thats why I feel a connection to it. I am not claiming any special insight, I just thought it was interesting that I was there while this debate was taking place on here (again)
Of course you are allowed an opinion. All I was wondering was why you had invested so much time and emotional energy in it? And if it is such a big thing to you why you never felt the need to come to NYC and look for yourself? You don't get any special insights, but I am sure that it does give you a different perspective on it when you are actually there.
I am not really sure that you read what I said. I expressed sympathy with people who experienced 9/11 and who look into all kinds of theories in a search for answers, and I understand why they search for answers beyond the official explanation. If it had been me I might feel the same way. I just don't understand why you have spent so much time and emotional energy on this? I don't get why you took it as such a hostile question?
monkeytassle
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I don't know why cctv would help your understanding of a plane hitting the pentagon. as others have since said, the bodies, the radar, the bits of plane, the eyewitnesses, the giant hole in the pentagon. why do you need cctv?
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Anthrax666
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What a moron...
Did it just fall down, or was it cut down?
Did it fall down, or was it knocked down?
If it was knocked down, why was it knocked down?
Did you see it fall down? How did it fall down?
Is the tree still there, or has it been removed?
Is the stump still there, or has it also been removed?
monkeytassle
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it was hit by a plane. people saw it happen, there's bits of plane everywhere, cctv caught the moment of impact and radar tracked the plane to the tree. 300 people are also dead.
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Anthrax666
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Have you got the CCTV footage? Can I see it?
monkeytassle
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yes mate, it's online.
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Anthrax666
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See... why dont the FBI just do that?
ProfessionalMackem
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Can you show us footage of plane bits? Like git big engines? fuselage? In the real time pics, not ones posted months after showing daft bits of metal on the lawn.
Can you explain how a flimsy plane went through three rings of the pentagon?
monkeytassle
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since when are planes flimsy?
if I was the US I'd let journalists poke around in the defence hub o the US. For sure.
So are planes flimsy or would you expect big engines lying around? If the planes that flew into the towers 'vaporized', would you not expect a plane flying into a far more solid structure to come off even worse?
I'll ask again, do you have a coherent alternative theory that would actually explain all of the supposed inconsistencies you've raised on this thread and others?
ravydavygravy
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Too easy
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Could you also answer how a missile could knock down lamp posts before hitting the pentagon?
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AlpineExile
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Magnets.
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