Ched Evans

[SPUFF]

Anybody else reckon their missus wouldn't stick around after this.......

But McDonald said: “Ched came into the room and asked if he could join in, so I asked the woman and she said yes.”
McDonald denied suggestions he had been planning on having sex that night, but admitted he and Evans had engaged in a threesome together in the past.
McDonald got dressed and left the hotel when Evans began to have sex with the woman and Mr Philpotts asked if that was because he had started to feel remorseful for what he had done to the woman.
McDonald said: “In no way, shape or form did I feel like I’d done anything wrong. I felt that she knew what she was doing.
“I didn’t want to stand and watch Ched having sex with her, because that’s not me, so I left.”

I wonder why she has, not.

 

[Top Of The Goths]

Anybody else reckon their missus wouldn't stick around after this.......

But McDonald said: “Ched came into the room and asked if he could join in, so I asked the woman and she said yes.”
McDonald denied suggestions he had been planning on having sex that night, but admitted he and Evans had engaged in a threesome together in the past.
McDonald got dressed and left the hotel when Evans began to have sex with the woman and Mr Philpotts asked if that was because he had started to feel remorseful for what he had done to the woman.
McDonald said: “In no way, shape or form did I feel like I’d done anything wrong. I felt that she knew what she was doing.
“I didn’t want to stand and watch Ched having sex with her, because that’s not me, so I left.”

I wonder why she has, not.

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[maghater]

She was 19 ffs. and falling over drunk in the kebab shop. And yeh, it really matters that she wasn't a virgin, I'm sure the judge made that absolutely clear, like.

I was out drinking with some 20-25 year old girls from work on Friday. I left early and asked them yesterday how the night panned out after that. At least 3 of them had gaps in their memory - it's pretty common. And don't believe the 'defence toxicologist's' estimate - the clue is in the word 'defence' there...he's paid to make her seem as sober as possible...there are no blood alcohol readings at the relevant time so we simply don't know. And 19 year old girls on nights out get their drinks spiked with sh*t all the time too. That's happened to several young female friends of mine.

This is simply the tale of a sordid predatory PoS not being able to get away with it for once - why are you all defending him?

Look at the CCTV footage of the "victim" arriving at the hotel with one of the accused. She is seen entering, leaving and re-entering is not staggering or falling over despite wearing 4 inch wedge shoes. I don't know I wasn't there but, She doesn't look like a girl Who is too intoxicated to consent. Remember under English (and Welsh) law, the prosecution must prove beyond all reasonable doubt. Sorry a girl, or any defendant taking the witness box and saying I can't remember to all questions is just a bit too convenient. Yes the two footballers were out to find a gIrl for a good time, but this is 2015 not 1955, and girls also go out to meet lads for a good time.

 

[C14R4NSAFC]

I'm only familiar with law to a level standard haha so someone will have to help me out . If this new evidence overturns Cheds conviction surely the lass must be due some sort of comeuppance ie public outing in the press or jail term to prevent opportunistic behaviour

 

[maghater]

I'm only familiar with law to a level standard haha so someone will have to help me out . If this new evidence overturns Cheds conviction surely the lass must be due some sort of comeuppance ie public outing in the press or jail term to prevent opportunistic behaviour

that could be a good one, if she a load of porkies she should get done for perverting the cause of justice which would be a prison sentence. as she has already had to change her name, and may have to do it again would make life really interesting. Never mind the damage this has done to Evans career and to the girl involved its also costing us poor tax payers a mint. Police time, court costs, setting up a new identity, not to mention the fortune ched would have paid in income tax

 

[andymcnish]

'If this new evidence overturns Cheds conviction'.

Look you can read the ChedEvans is innocent website for the facts or the law report where their original appeal was dismissed:

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

The law report paints rather a different picture doesn't it?

 

[Deleted member 35145]

Ffs, the difference is that Evans turns up (with his cronies who then try to film it thru a window but either fail or 'lose' the footage) in response to a 'ive got a girl' text, to a room he's pre booked, to a girl he's never met but is already well out of it by the time he arrives. He screws her and then slinks off thru a fire exit.

That seems a lot more like predatory behaviour than two pissed people hooking up and having sex and waking up together confused and naked in the morning doesn't it?

Ranger booked the hotel beforehand, then carried her out of the taxi as she was too drunk to walk. Then when he was finished he took a photo of the bedsheets, and went downstairs to book the hotel room for the next night ready to do it again. I'd say that's quite predatory, although fair enough, not as predatory as Evans.

As you know, the question for the jury to consider will have been whether she could have consented or whether Ranger reasonably believed she could have consented. On another day they could easily have come back with a different answer.

What about Bramble 10 years ago? By the account of several people who were there, he simply walked into a hotel room as if he was walking onto a porn set with 3 other blokes where someone else was having sex with a drunk teenager. Then he decided he wanted to 'get involved'. It was an extremely risky thing for him to do and again, could have turned out differently.

A few years later his brother decided to park himself on top of a drunk girl who stated in court that she was asleep. His brother wasn't so lucky on that occassion.

Then there's Chris Brown and co who ended up effectively making underage pornography - for which they were quite fortunate not to cause a slightly different shit storm.

There's many more cases, and will be many more instances that were never reported.

It's been fairly obvious that there is a culture amongst a significant minority of footballers where it is acceptable to pass a drunk teenager around a hotel room amongst a load of their mates.

If they think they are entitled to do that then the question of who is and who isn't a rapist is more a question of luck than the mentality of the alleged perpetrator.

Evans has lived and worked in that culture and I can well believe he genuinely struggles to see what he did wrong.

People have been aware that footballers behave like this yet on the whole seem to have had no issue with it. So I don't really understand the rush to wreck the career of the only professional to ever suffer any actual consequences.

My own view is that I have held a strong dislike of footballers in general for years now. I've never had any interest in what they do off the pitch and the idea of them as role models is risible. On reflection I think Roy Keane's approach of just f***ing them off without taking the cue from the courts is probably the correct one.

 

[Keith S30S]

'If this new evidence overturns Cheds conviction'.

Look you can read the ChedEvans is innocent website for the facts or the law report where their original appeal was dismissed:

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

The law report paints rather a different picture doesn't it?

No, not really.

It still says pretty much the whole case hinges on her being too drunk to consent. She looked very drunk at the kebab shop and far less drunk half an hour later at the hotel (that is a fact due to her regaining her balance). If she continued to sober up at the same rate (bearing in mind she didn't start drinking until after midnight) then another half an hour or so later so could have been considerably more sober again.

The evidence points to her sobering up but her testimony says she lost her memory? That doesn't quite add up in my mind. Spiked? We've all had a bad sausage roll after a heavy night drinking!

Someone is lying IMO, the question is who?

 

[lordy]

if neither of them could remember would they both be guilty?

its a weird law which seems skewed but saying that now hes been convicted I think its sending out a very dodgy message by playing him, I certainly wouldn't want him playing for us.

No, not really.

It still says pretty much the whole case hinges on her being too drunk to consent. She looked very drunk at the kebab shop and far less drunk half an hour later at the hotel (that is a fact due to her regaining her balance). If she continued to sober up at the same rate (bearing in mind she didn't start drinking until after midnight) then another half an hour or so later so could have been considerably more sober again.

The evidence points to her sobering up but her testimony says she lost her memory? That doesn't quite add up in my mind. Spiked? We've all had a bad sausage roll after a heavy night drinking!

Someone is lying IMO, the question is who?

jury's already decided marra

 

[Washy]

if he had raped my daughter and was now back on the streets he'd have a fuck sight more to worry about than his football career

Well said...

 

[Keith S30S]

if neither of them could remember would they both be guilty?

its a weird law which seems skewed but saying that now hes been convicted I think its sending out a very dodgy message by playing him, I certainly wouldn't want him playing for us.

jury's already decided marra

And?

Jury's have decided on cases for donkey's years. They get more right than wrong but plenty of innocent people have been jailed and plenty of wrong un's have walked free.

 

[Frijj]

Well said...

Aye but the whole "If it was my family" argument is one I've continually argued against on here. The girl isn't anyone off here's daughter.

 

[C14R4NSAFC]

if neither of them could remember would they both be guilty?

its a weird law which seems skewed but saying that now hes been convicted I think its sending out a very dodgy message by playing him, I certainly wouldn't want him playing for us.



jury's already decided marra

I don't understand though fair enough even if the conviction was right (which bizarrely in the eyes of the law it still is ) why would you rather he never worked again ? Surely better he gives something back rather than take taxpayers money, do you not believe in second chances ?

 

[Jester]

I don't understand though fair enough even if the conviction was right (which bizarrely in the eyes of the law it still is ) why would you rather he never worked again ? Surely better he gives something back rather than take taxpayers money, do you not believe in second chances ?

He can play for your Newcastle United Skunks Ciarin!

And by the way, when are u going to fulfil your promise and leave the SMB???

 

[Frijj]

I don't understand though fair enough even if the conviction was right (which bizarrely in the eyes of the law it still is ) why would you rather he never worked again ? Surely better he gives something back rather than take taxpayers money, do you not believe in second chances ?

People have been saying that football puts him in the spotlight and makes him a role model. I think the fact that he can go back to a high-income job pisses people off as well.

I abhor his crime, rape is f***ing awful, but he should be able to go back to football.

 

[C14R4NSAFC]

People have been saying that football puts him in the spotlight and makes him a role model. I think the fact that he can go back to a high-income job pisses people off as well.

I abhor his crime, rape is f***ing awful, but he should be able to go back to football.

Controversial but I think it's bitterness on a lot of people's part that they're jealous of his wealth so are therefore prejudiced against someone who as it stands has a horrible conviction against him will still earn more than them. At the end of the day nothing is to stop a murderer being released and becoming a successful entrepreneur yet there wouldn't be outcry about that.

Second chances and a chance to put right your wrongs are what IMO separates us from backwards countries with capital punishment

 

[Washy]

Aye but the whole "If it was my family" argument is one I've continually argued against on here. The girl isn't anyone off here's daughter.

Correct, but she is someones daughter...

Hopefully knowing the scum that raped his daughter done time gives him some peace...

 

[lordy]

I don't understand though fair enough even if the conviction was right (which bizarrely in the eyes of the law it still is ) why would you rather he never worked again ? Surely better he gives something back rather than take taxpayers money, do you not believe in second chances ?

I do believe in consequences, I'm not saying he shouldn't work again, just preferably not as a role model where he will be worshipped and celebrated, if me or you or 99% of this board who have jobs had been convicted of rape and been put on the sex offenders list I'm pretty sure we'd not be able to continue in our jobs, we would have to accept the consequences of the conviction and probably look for a lessor job - why should it be different for him?

Out of interest would you want to give a convicted rapist Police Officer/Doctor/Teacher a 'second chance'?

 

[Frijj]

Controversial but I think it's bitterness on a lot of people's part that they're jealous of his wealth so are therefore prejudiced against someone who as it stands has a horrible conviction against him will still earn more than them. At the end of the day nothing is to stop a murderer being released and becoming a successful entrepreneur yet there wouldn't be outcry about that.

Second chances and a chance to put right your wrongs are what IMO separates us from backwards countries with capital punishment

Agreed. Not to mention the Facebook Warriors who constantly share things like 'why don't nurses get paid what footballers do' etc etc

Correct, but she is someones daughter...

Hopefully knowing the scum that raped his daughter done time gives him some peace...

Someones, yes, but not society's. I completely respect that her father will want something far far worse than prison time for her rapist, though.

Out of interest would you want to give a convicted rapist Police Officer/Doctor/Teacher a 'second chance'?

Does Ched Evans work with vulnerable people in a position of trust, like a police officer, doctor or teacher?

 

[lordy]

Does Ched Evans work with vulnerable people in a position of trust, like a police officer, doctor or teacher?

I'd imagine he'd be in contact with junior members of the squad etc, but that didn't really answer my question.

Here's another one for you and please try to answer it, would you allow a convicted rapist to become an MP or Prime Minister even?