Britain first, UKIP, Tories

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Cockney Mackem said:
I believe the OP was suggesting not that UKIP had caused the circumstances in which migrants and refugees are desperate to come to this country, but rather that UKIP had contributed to the political atmosphere in which migrants and refugees are demonised and the resulting reluctance to offer assistance in a humanitarian crisis.
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Well hes wrong then isnt he.
 


Keawyeds said:
So rather than stay in a country and risk being killed by your own regime or militants, these parents have decided to leave, risk everything, and have in all likelihood died the same way their child has.
And you are claiming that is irresponsible?
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As a parent, yes, obviously this is my point of view and as a parent I want the best for my kids but not a chance in hell I would put their lives at risk in such a manner.
 
Wierd Valley Mackem said:
Utter bollocks that UKIP were not the cause of this it was Labour and Tory Governments. UKIP have stated what there policy is along the lines of Australia you can disagree with it but to put an emotional picture up and paint UKIP to be the bad guys in this is ridiculous so in your own words fuck right off.
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bollocks ukip are the biggest scaremongers of all the parties trading on fears of a migrant invasion... party of nimbys, ukip are a party with deeply entrenched right wingers...
 
Keawyeds said:
So rather than stay in a country and risk being killed by your own regime or militants, these parents have decided to leave, risk everything, and have in all likelihood died the same way their child has.
And you are claiming that is irresponsible?
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They weren't fleeing Syria, they were attempting to leave Turkey.....why?........for economic advantage.
 
Zig81 said:
As a parent, yes, obviously this is my point of view and as a parent I want the best for my kids but not a chance at hell I would put there lives at risk in such a manner.
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So you'd rather stay and risk them all being killed.
It's a rock and a hard place situation, but surely you can see why leaving when everything is going to shit around you makes sense. It can't exactly be an easy decision knowing the risks.
One way or another these people were potentially going to perish. The fact that they have done so as they were trying to escape just makes things worse.
 
GBSAFC said:
bollocks ukip are the biggest scaremongers of all the parties trading on fears of a migrant invasion... party of nimbys, ukip are a party with deeply entrenched right wingers...
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Cant quite understand why he's defending the anti-immigrant party so much on this tbh :lol:
 
Metro Man said:
They weren't fleeing Syria, they were attempting to leave Turkey.....why?........for economic advantage.
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Bollocks. You know full well ISIS insurgents are in Turkey.
They have left their country with nothing. Literally nothing. Going anywhere would be an economic advantage!
 
GBSAFC said:
and blair played ball ... like blair played ball with gaddaffi for bp oil contracts and blair lobbied cameron to extract gaddafi during the arab spring,
labour are a joke .. labour played ball with the tories on the welfare cuts.
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Yes. And?

Still struggling to see where poor George, who has been on a waiting list for a hip replacement for 5 years now has to shoulder the blame.

Poor owld fella worked man & boy metal bashing in the foundries in the Black Country, unbearable working conditions just to put food on the table for his family. Now the tolls of that lifetime of hard graft is catching up on him.

For dinner yesterday he opened a tin of supermarket value tomatoes he got from the food bank. To stretch it out, he only ate half the tin.
 
Keawyeds said:
Bollocks. You know full well ISIS insurgents are in Turkey.
They have left their country with nothing. Literally nothing. Going anywhere would be an economic advantage!
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based on what?
are you actaully saying that to stop economic advantage being potentially gained... dead kids are an acceptable price to pay?
 
Keawyeds said:
So you'd rather stay and risk them all being killed.
It's a rock and a hard place situation, but surely you can see why leaving when everything is going to shit around you makes sense. It can't exactly be an easy decision knowing the risks.
One way or another these people were potentially going to perish. The fact that they have done so as they were trying to escape just makes things worse.
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The use of the word potentially is important, take that risk as a last resort.
 
Keawyeds said:
It's very good actually. The Allies knew what was happening and did not react quickly enough.
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The allies to the decision to win the war as quick as possible we didnt fight a war about the holocaust. Whatever your arguement this doesnt come close to being compared to the wheres and whys of Allied war aims in WW2. Or UKIP.

alzeebub said:
Nope, that'd be you.
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Great contribution backed up by reasoned argument there mate. :rolleyes:
 
Flared Hicks said:
Yes. And?

Still struggling to see where poor George, who has been on a waiting list for a hip replacement for 5 years now has to shoulder the blame.

Poor owld fella worked man & boy metal bashing in the foundries in the Black Country, unbearable working conditions just to put food on the table for his family. Now the tolls of that lifetime of hard graft is catching up on him.

For dinner yesterday he opened a tin of supermarket value tomatoes he got from the food bank. To stretch it out, he only ate half the tin.
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thats the price of austerity, and debt reduction uber alles
are many of you saying that a few thousand dead kids can be justified by servicing our debt or keep our population lower?
 
Keawyeds said:
Bollocks. You know full well ISIS insurgents are in Turkey.
They have left their country with nothing. Literally nothing. Going anywhere would be an economic advantage!
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Don't be daft....Turkey is a stable country.....Europeans still go on holiday to Bodrum....:lol:
 
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